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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>JessChan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think horror for horror sake is degrading to the Genre.&nbsp; What I mean by that is, having violence for the sake of violence, or gore for the sake of gore is pointless in the bigger picture, but gives short term satisfaction to those who enjoy it.</p><p>Rather, I think the horror genre should aim to make people reflect on certain aspects of human nature.&nbsp; Films such as SAW accomplishes this by raising the question of &quot;How far are we willing to go to preserve out lives?&quot;, &quot;Will the process of preserving our lives destroy the very thing that makes us human?&quot; </p><p>That&#039;s what makes a successful horror film I believe.</p></blockquote></div><p>Totally agree with you.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well you have to remember that the movie industry like any industry is profit motivated.&nbsp; If you can cash in on sequels, then they&#039;re going to do it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 13:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>No more stupid horny teenagers having pointless sex. I know we all like it, but we aren&#039;t going to be taken seriously as long as that&#039;s in there. No more cliched plots. No more sequel cash grabs. But really, if we got rid of stuff like that our favorite genre wouldn&#039;t be nearly as fun.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think horror for horror sake is degrading to the Genre.&nbsp; What I mean by that is, having violence for the sake of violence, or gore for the sake of gore is pointless in the bigger picture, but gives short term satisfaction to those who enjoy it.</p><p>Rather, I think the horror genre should aim to make people reflect on certain aspects of human nature.&nbsp; Films such as SAW accomplishes this by raising the question of &quot;How far are we willing to go to preserve out lives?&quot;, &quot;Will the process of preserving our lives destroy the very thing that makes us human?&quot; </p><p>That&#039;s what makes a successful horror film I believe.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 11:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Vasquez wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t want the mainstream to accept horror, all I want it to do is to respect the genre and recognise its social and intellectual aspects you find in beautiful but scary films like The Devils Backbone or The Orphanage - to name but 2.</p></blockquote></div><p>well mainstream culture might not recognise those aspects.. but who cares? Academia does.. and that&#039;s all that really matters....</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t want the mainstream to accept horror, all I want it to do is to respect the genre and recognise its social and intellectual aspects you find in beautiful but scary films like The Devils Backbone or The Orphanage - to name but 2.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t think horror should be respected by mainstream culture. By definition, the horror movie is the ideological opposite of what is mainstream.. It&#039;s better kept on the fringe, for the people who can handle it. Sadistic violence should not be a mainstream value..</p><p>I think you guys think that if it&#039;s not accepted by the mainstream, then it&#039;s not perceived as legitimate? The mainstream is really just a value system...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think that there will always be exceptions that will make outsiders take closer look at the genre, but as a whole the genre will generally be overlooked by mainstream society. Films like Rosemary&#039;s Baby and the Exorcist in the 60&#039;s/70&#039;s, or The Walking Dead now, gather respect, but a lot of those same people who are watching the Walking Dead won&#039;t be going to see the new horror flick in theatres. But almost since it&#039;s inception horror films have been marginalized, either as immature, or needlessly gory, or just generally anti-social. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that diffferent now than it was in the 50&#039;s. </p><p>Like others have said the only way to bring respect back to the genre is to make films that are intelligently made, with relatable characters (a key element to The Walking Dead, and also the reason I think the first Saw was so successful). Or at the least make them more mainstream accessible and not just pander to the blood and tits crowd. Cabin in the Woods is a good example. It was successful because it had a good blend of comedy and horror, but also had interesting characters and an original plot.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I dont think it can be morw respected only because the people who dont watch them cant imo. It like trying to make me watch a romantic comedy. Not going to happen.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is how I see it: We&#039;ve actually been trying to make it more respected in mainstream culture. It&#039;s called Hollywood horror, and at large we don&#039;t like that kind of stuff very much. So to answer the question in the topic title: I&#039;m afraid we cannot do that anymore.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 01:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We can&#039;t &quot;make&quot; non-fans of the horror genre, who are mainstream film fans, respect the horror culture. Nor can the mainstream culture &quot;make&quot; us horror fans respect that culture.</p><p>I do believe that the mainstream culture does in fact respect the horror genre to some degree. Movies such as Psycho, The Birds, The Shining, and Silence of the Lambs, are great examples of horror films that are well respected by the mainstream culture, now and forever. The thing about the horror genre is that it&#039;s not as popular as the other genres. Why? Don&#039;t ask me...&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t mean though that it&#039;s not respected.</p><br /><p>To answer the question posed? One thing I think would help the genre become more accepted and respected by the mainstream culture would be to have more &quot;A&quot; list actors/actresses cast in horror films.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^ I never said that&#039;s what horrors is all about, I just used them for example because that was in a lot of horror movies (and still is) at the time. But I do get what you are saying. <img src="http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything you said, except I disagree that nudity and horrible deaths are what horror is about.&nbsp; Horror is about the threat of death/fear of dying in an unnatural way, yes, but I don&#039;t believe nudity has anything to do with horror at all.&nbsp; I completely disagree with the age-old notion that there is a link between sex and death; I don&#039;t find sex horrific, and I&#039;m not titillated by death.&nbsp; I think the only reason the two became linked in film is that because they&#039;re both easy to execute in film.&nbsp; And I find it unfortunate for the genre that of all the other primal emotions which could have been used alongside fear, some chump had to go and drag carnal desire into it.</p><p>That&#039;s not to say that there aren&#039;t filmmakers who handle sex and death very well and draw interesting philosophical comparisons between the two.&nbsp; For instance, David Cronenberg has built himself quite an impressive list of films which incorporate both to fascinating degrees.&nbsp; But again, while I believe the threat of unnatural death is a necessity in a horror film, I don&#039;t feel the same about nudity.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So after reading others post about this, I&#039;ll step in and say my take on it all.</p><p>About what Lon and Az were talking about, if a horror film is popular it gets thrown into another genre and not isn&#039;t claimed as a horror film. Lets take your examples for a second, Scream said to be a comedy. One of the reasons it is popular is, because the movie doesn&#039;t solely rely on horror to entertain it&#039;s audience, it has more moments of comedy in the film to satisfy a bigger group of people while still at it&#039;s roots being a horror movie. Of course it&#039;s a horror movie, but it uses other elements and can make a bigger audience like it (take what you want from that). As for Silence of the Lambs, I always thought of it as a thriller for some reason.</p><p>But as for the horror genre to get more respected in general, I don&#039;t think it can. I think it&#039;s trampled down upon this road of nudity, horrible deaths (in the films), etc. But <strong>that is</strong> what horror is all about and certain people will always have a problem with how that is portrayed in movies. And with the amount of these &#039;torture porn&#039; films being made now, that&#039;s certainly not going to help it among the public. The horror genre was most popular in the 70s/80s (in my opinion) and I think it was the general public&#039;s mindset at that point of time and what their interests were. Now, it has changed and horror is still the same as it ever was. </p><p>You have fans like us on the forums, who love horror out and out but the majority of the public? They have a view on horror which is most likely negative and that won&#039;t change cause they won&#039;t watch horror movies unless they have some other aspect to the movie than just &#039;killing&#039; and so on. Go look at Cabin in the Woods and popular that was, was it because it was a true horror movie? No, because it had parts of comedy to it and horror wasn&#039;t the main front but had elements. </p><p>People will probably disagree with me, but that&#039;s my two cents on the subject.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I routinely point others to The Walking Dead as the kind of approach I&#039;d love to see a return to in horror films.&nbsp; Smart horror, with genuine suspense and tension, and believable characters that involve us on an emotional level.&nbsp; Even the characters we dislike we become attached to, because they embody points of view we can understand within the context of the world they live in.&nbsp; That&#039;s all you need to generate suspense easily: characters you care about placed in situations which threaten their well-being.&nbsp; </p><p>Conversely, I point folks to American Horror Story as the kind of approach which has all but left the genre a laughing stock.&nbsp; Horror for the attention-span deprived.&nbsp; Vapid and gratuitous in every sense, with cardboard characters (Jessica Lange brings a touch of class, but the result is nevertheless the equivalent of spit-shining a turd).&nbsp; All sizzle, no steak, with all the crass and base emotional impact of a child frying ants with a magnifying glass.</p><p>If the genre is ever going to get back the respect it had before the 80s, it&#039;s going to need a whole lot more of the former and a shit-ton less of the latter.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure others will disagree, but that&#039;s my take.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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