To be fair Lon, as much as I despise Boll, 'Seed' is worth a watch mate, it's one of Boll's rare films that doesn't make you want to wrench your eyeballs out with rusty pliers and stuff them in your ears so as not to see or hear any more of his typical fare. 'Seed' is pretty bloody good mate. No joke. Even insufferable hacks have an occasional good day every now and then and... excuse the prescient pun here buuut... every dog has its day... and Seed is Boll's.

It's worth a watch and, as much as it pains me to say, is actually rather decent.

Nope it did actually make me want to ram rusty nails into my retinas. It was upsetting for no real reason or message. But that's just my opinion.

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...if we don't face the reality of, a in truth very brutal world, however then we risk agreeing with figures like the prominent critic of 'Video Nasties' Mary Whitehouse...

I was in total agreement with you until I hit this speed bump.

I've been to war and seen people go up in a ball of red mist; I've worked in homeless shelters and walked in on a parent attempting to suffocate their infant baby with a pillow; I've worked in rehab clinics and seen people who have literally traded their own prosthetic limb for drugs;  I've seen people shot and stabbed; hell, I'VE been stabbed. 

I am fully and completely aware of how ugly and violent the world is and can be.  I neither want nor need to be reminded of it.  I don't think that puts me at risk of becoming like a bureaucratic prig like Whitehouse; it makes me someone who'd rather find something to laugh and smile about instead.

The ugly shit's always going to be out there.  It's not going anywhere anytime soon.  But that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge it every time it rears its head.

I get ur point Lon. In no way was I trying to compare anyone to anyone on here to people like Whitehouse - I know we need a balanced and considered view of the world, and I know there are plenty of positive aspects we should just as focus on a strongly. I am trying to say that we need to be constantly reminded of the ugly stuff in the world, just that we can't, equally stick in our heads in the stand to use a phrase and totally avoid it. Otherwise the same things will repeat and repeat themselves again, whether in the case of animal violence, the Holocaust or any of the issues u mentioned. What these things cannot be used though, and is completely wrong to do so is in a exploitative context. On a side note this is why I hated the recent chilean horror Hidden In The Wood's so much cause it literally spews a vile and gratuitous representation of extreme exploitation topics like rape,cannibalism etc all while it is supposedly based on a true story - and therefore is a insult to the real victims of the particular story, who are perhaps similar to the people and their related horrifying and tragic stories u so passionately describe.

It's a pretty cruel world we live in and I don't need to be reminded of that for the sole purpose of entertainment. Nor should anyone!

I don't need more real-life stuff shoved into my face for no reason.  Ask most the members here, and they'll confirm that life can be a wicked bitch.  But the thing is- we don't give up.  But we don't really want to see sick stuff from the real world for "entertainment."

This is the monkey's 2 bananas.

...if we don't face the reality of, a in truth very brutal world, however then we risk agreeing with figures like the prominent critic of 'Video Nasties' Mary Whitehouse...

I was in total agreement with you until I hit this speed bump.

I've been to war and seen people go up in a ball of red mist; I've worked in homeless shelters and walked in on a parent attempting to suffocate their infant baby with a pillow; I've worked in rehab clinics and seen people who have literally traded their own prosthetic limb for drugs;  I've seen people shot and stabbed; hell, I'VE been stabbed. 

I am fully and completely aware of how ugly and violent the world is and can be.  I neither want nor need to be reminded of it.  I don't think that puts me at risk of becoming like a bureaucratic prig like Whitehouse; it makes me someone who'd rather find something to laugh and smile about instead.

The ugly shit's always going to be out there.  It's not going anywhere anytime soon.  But that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge it every time it rears its head.

I would however very much like to STRESS that I think showing footage of real animal cruelty (which the filmmakers have not caused themselves) could in some circumstances, within a relevant, complex and critically aware message could therefore be in my opinion acceptable; though from everyones comments it appears PETA themselves use counter productive methods, such supposedly donating footage to Uwe Boll's film to highlight these issues in real life.

Additionally we must also accept that if we don't face the reality of, a in truth very brutal world, however then we risk agreeing with figures like the prominent critic of 'Video Nasties' Mary Whitehouse - who ignorantly objected to showing horrifying footage of Nazi concentration camp's in a 1960's documentary simply because she found it 'offensive'. When we accept reality then can we only learn from it, and in the specific case of the Nazi Concentration camps only then perhaps prevent it in the future.

Now, using existing footage that wasn't made with the intent of being in a film, is more difficult for me to decide.  It would still bother me, and I may not want to watch it, but its may not be as wrong.

Think about how many movies show actual real news video of people getting hurt / shot.  Its been in many, but one that comes to mind is 28 Days Later where they show all the news footage to emphasize how bad people are to each other.  Is this ok?  I think so, and I think most people do too.

However, what's to stop someone from using that rationale, and influencing something to be made / taped, to be in a movie, while at the same time holding their hands up and claiming it was unrelated already existing footage?  Get what I mean?  I know I'm going off point a bit, but I think its valid, and i don't think its that far off from happening.

Note that in this instance the word "good" translates as "god-awful."

Well, if this doen't convince you to watch Seed, nothing will :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGOOTuKc52k

It's worth a watch and, as much as it pains me to say, is actually rather decent.

Yeah, still not interested.

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So you'd consider such auteurs as Franco Propseri, Gualitero Jacopetti and Ruggero Deodato, who, btw, actually perpetrated the animal torture "lame"? These guys didn't just "use real footage", they actually set such scenes up. And yet mondo docs like Africa Addio and Mondo Cane are still works of (rather dodgy) art.

yeah.  i would hate those people.

It's worth a watch and, as much as it pains me to say, is actually rather decent.