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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Horror films (long)]]></title>
			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9228#p9228</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>B&amp;W might be lost on the mainstream of my generation (I&#039;m 18) and the want graphic stuff...but not too graphic as they are still pansies.&nbsp; But, there is still a serious audience.</p><p>Making suggestions is a good thing and like Demon says, if he listens do give some advice.&nbsp; With what you say he has, he could change the script to more of the kids find a crazy ex-Vietnam vet/ gun loving redneck who has a minagery of weapons.</p><br /><p>I remember a few friends at school and I were gonna try and do a zombie film.&nbsp; Never went through due to...money of course and scheduals.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Horror films (long)]]></title>
			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9224#p9224</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for your kind words.&nbsp; It means a lot to a new poster when the Bad Ass Mofo himself appreciates your first topic.</p><p>DemonToSome:&nbsp; I would love to make a zombie movie.&nbsp; I have many ideas floating around, but they&#039;re so chaotic it&#039;s difficult to organise them into a coherent screen play.&nbsp; I think that nowadays with the glut of zombies in the marketplace, that a new one should have something new to bring to the table to stand out from the rest.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t have to be a major concept or anything, just a little something different.&nbsp; Not to mention raising money, finding an fx and makeup artist, a sound man, a camera man/light man, a decent cast, and anything else that I&#039;ve missed, may prove extremely difficult to achieve.</p><p>I&#039;d be quite content to perhaps be the co-writer and let someone else deal with the headaches of actually filming the thing....or maybe not....</p><p>Edited to capitalise &quot;Bad Ass Mofo&quot;.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (sMart)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Horror films (long)]]></title>
			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9208#p9208</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh ya I get what you mean. If it&#039;s edited good, implied violence works great.<br />Hitchcock sure had a way to make you think your seeing more than you actually are.</p><p>Hey sMart, maybe you should make your own film and put all your ideas into it..... and show the hole in the zombies head <img src="http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (DemonToSome)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9197#p9197</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Implied violence:&nbsp; </p><p>As an example:&nbsp; When Ben shoves the crowbar into the zombie&#039;s face inside the house.&nbsp; The camera pans into a close up on his face, lifting the crowbar above his head and plunging it downward, but we don&#039;t actually see the contact.&nbsp; It&#039;s implied that he shoved the crowbar through it&#039;s skull, killing it.&nbsp; </p><p>A bit earlier in the movie, Ben is swinging the crowbar around, hitting zombies apparently, but the camera doesn&#039;t actually show him striking them.&nbsp; It cuts away to reveal them falling down.</p><p>In Psycho...the shower scene.&nbsp; You see bloodsplatters and blood circling down the drain. You can see the knife being drawn up and down during the attack, but you don&#039;t see the knife actually enter Ms. Crane&#039;s* body.</p><p>*My mind is drawing a blank, I&#039;m not sure if the victim&#039;s last name was Crane.</p><p>As far as effects go, he can&#039;t properly show the effects of a hole in the head, that may occur as a result of a character like Ben shoving a crowbar into someone&#039;s head.&nbsp; So he can&#039;t even pan the camera down to reveal the results, it has to be implied, left off camera.&nbsp; And the audience would have to make the assumption that there&#039;s a giant hole in the middle of that zombie&#039;s forehead.</p><p>Thanks for the reply DemonToSome.&nbsp; He does seem very eager to hear my thoughts, so until he says otherwise, I guess I&#039;ll continue to provide them so long as he asks a direct question.&nbsp; What I like about this guy is that he&#039;s willing to take constructive criticism and listen to other people&#039;s ideas, despite the fact that this movie is his baby.&nbsp; He&#039;s also willing to compromise.&nbsp; That shows promise to me, and I would like to see him succeed as a film maker.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (sMart)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Horror films (long)]]></title>
			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9183#p9183</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If his budget is so low that by using color the effects will look like crap, than I see nothing wrong with B&amp;W.<br />Not sure what you mean by #2.<br />If you feel the need to give him suggestions, what the hell, give him your ideas since he&#039;s listening.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (DemonToSome)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9173#p9173</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re fast, Meh...I was editing it while you were reading it.</p><p>By the way, where&#039;s my swag?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (sMart)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9172#p9172</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>crikeys I think that is a great post I will have to mull over before I can really respond. Well posted!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Meh)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/viewtopic.php?pid=9169#p9169</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I hope this is the appropriate forum.&nbsp; I&#039;m new here and not really certain.&nbsp; The reason I&#039;m posting this here rather then in the Indie Forum is because I think what I have to say applies to a lesser extent to big budget or &quot;mainstream&quot; films.&nbsp; I could be wrong, however.</p><p>So, recently I was involved in an ultra low budget zombie movie.&nbsp; I had to quit during production for a variety of reasons, all personal and having nothing to do really with this topic.</p><p>The Writer/Director was actually very receptive to my ideas.&nbsp; He seemed as passionate about the subject as I.&nbsp; And hopefully the movie itself would have gone well, but I was left to ponder a few things.</p><p>The original script called for a group of teens being rescued by soldiers sent out by the government to contain the outbreak of the virus that is the cause of the zombie apocalypse.</p><p>The unfortunate thing was that he didn&#039;t have enough authentic uniforms or weapons to accomplish that.&nbsp; He had various military issue firearms, but they were from different eras...such as WW1 and 2, plus Vietnam..and a smattering of more current weapons.&nbsp; The Jeep was circa 1943.&nbsp; And he only had one set of BDU&#039;s.&nbsp; I told him that simply because he had these things available doesn&#039;t mean he should necessarily use them.</p><p>He didn&#039;t have a make up artist who could do gore effects, so I told him that it may be best to use B&amp;W.&nbsp; It&#039;s easier I think to set a mood that way as the shadows are deeper and richer, and B&amp;W was more forgiving concerning make up and gore effects.&nbsp; I told him to watch NOTLD for ideas on how violence could be implied, yet still be effective and how only minimal makeup was required.</p><p>There were a few other suggestions, but the gist is that ultimately, he was going to be forced to make many compromises to get this movie completed.&nbsp; In fact, he sent me an e-mail today explaining that he would have to actually cut back on the speaking roles.</p><p>So, my questions are:&nbsp; Was I correct?&nbsp; In this day and age with what I would guess or hope is a more sophisticated audience (though I think that perhaps gorehound doesn&#039;t necessarily equal sophisticated <img src="http://www.horror-movies.ca/Forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> ) out there....and all the zombie movies being made(everybody with a video camera thinks they can make the next great zombie picture) am I right when I say that implied gore and violence is enough?&nbsp; Is B&amp;W still acceptable to an audience so long as the story is fantastic and the talent involved competent?&nbsp; I can still watch Psycho and NOTLD, but I would imagine many people only give lip service to that concept, why else would that colorised, shot for shot remake of Psycho been made?&nbsp; I guess Gus Van Sant wanted to bring Psycho to a larger audience, but did it work?&nbsp; It&#039;s still not too late to e-mail him with suggestions.&nbsp; I may not be active on the production anymore, but he seems to value my opinion still.&nbsp; Would George Romero have done anything differently if he had had a bigger budget?&nbsp; Should I tell him to ignore me and do what he feels is right at this point?&nbsp; The movie is no longer my business.</p><p>What do you guys think?</p><p>I&#039;m a professional lurker for a reason...let me try to order my thoughts in a way which may be easier to understand, since I don&#039;t make sense even to myself.</p><p>1.&nbsp; Is B&amp;W an acceptable means of relaying a story to a modern audience.&nbsp; </p><p>2.&nbsp; Is implied violence and the effects of such enough to satisfy a modern audience?</p><p>3.&nbsp; Should I stay out of his business now, though he seems still to value my opinion?</p><p>4.&nbsp; If 3 above is correct, should I tell him to ignore my previous comments and do what he thinks is best at this point, or wait until he contacts me?</p><p>Hopefully edited for clarity and to fix a few spelling errors.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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