Topic: Horror Movies, Sex & Fear

Some things in life just go together: peanut butter and jelly, peas and carrots, Forest and Jenny, sex and horror. Sure a half dozen shots of topless young girls might distract the audience from the pure lack of story in your movie, but there’s...

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Being nude makes you feel, well naked, as in defenseless.  Teenage/20-some boys like boobs.  MPAA will not be allowing men to show their junk anytime soon outside of an X  or NC17 rating (unless it's a 3 story mastadonic penis for a superhero).  [Women like to get scared because they can cling to the manly man and feel comforted (just kidding ladies) by his man parts.   Or watch the "Top Gun" volleyball scene.]    It's what sells, like 'Beavis and Butthead'- 'hee hee' boobs.  Or taking out that zombie you think of as your neighbor who mows the lawn at 6:30AM.  With a badly tuned riding mower.  And "Zombie Strippers" was on the FX channel last night- ugh.

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I love bare nekkid ladies as much as the next guy, but really?

Horror is exploitative, so why not exploit as much as you can during the course of a film?
The only thing a horror film has the responsibility to exploit is the viewer's emotions, through whatever means necessary. Yes sex can add to the potent mixture but it in no way shape or form is it required to either instill fear or make an enjoyable movie.

The bottom line is that without the nudity the film isn’t complete
I could come up with a laundry list of films sans nudity that are perfect horror films just as they are, this is a dense statement if I ever read one.

you name check the Dracula quote from Ed Wood - perfect example of a complete movie with no nudity. 

Sex and arousal can be subtly implied in a horror film - just like violence - and still get a huge response from a viewer, in fact the films that manage to do so usually are the ones that leave a longer lasting impression for me personally.
Do I love flesh in my films, sure , but to think it is absolutely necessary is very short sighted IMO

Last edited by deadhorse13 (2009-04-20 09:16:54)

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Completely agree with Deadhorse smile and as a side note:

A perfect horror film without sex/ nudity: Misery big_smile

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Good points DeadHorse. I for one do not need boobies in my movies to make them worth watching but then I also dont need insane violence either. Innspector has done what I feel is a great job of not just laying out why nudity in horror films happens but the SCIENCE behind it was an interesting read for me.

I for one think that Violence and Nudity in horror movies is often taken way to far and is making up for a shitty plot or a lack of intelligent acting and writing. Nudity and violence can go hand in hand with a horror film but it should by no means be the driving force of the film.

Great piece.

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We get it Innspecktor, you like boobs lol

I see your point and it might work with 50% of the crowd (the oh I am a scared little gal and plse hold me). I was always the first through the haunted houses, dragging my dates to the drive-in to watch the Horror movies, and partying in the deep dark woods around a cozy fire. Most of the guys were so intimidated by my looks and style that I had to make the first move and then...:cool:
but back to undressed ladies and Horror, the combo is awesome, it gives the brain something to focus on and a semi relaxed thought, then whammo the Horror begins and the mix is as refreshing as an ice cold -mixed drink. wink

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I felt this was far from a great piece IMO, hence the bitching LOL

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T&A is not required for horror if it's done right.

That being said, for Hollywood, it is required to appease their target audience and sell more tickets. It's their job after all.

If A Nightmare on Elm Street were just starting as a franchise today, Heather Langenkamp would not get cast as Nancy.
She's not goddess type hot with a swimsuit model body.

They would get a very hot actress with marginal acting skills and all the dream sequences would have her in nothing more than an ab-displaying T-shirt and underwear not the PJs Heather wore.
(Not to say Heather is ugly, or an Oscar caliber actress but you get the point)

Would a half naked Nancy help the story be more frightening or the film better overall?  No.
Would Megan Fox half naked as Nancy sell more tickets? Yes.
With probably a good chunk of those tickets going to guys without dates. smile

Like Deadhorse said, there are a ton of classic horror movies that contain little or no nudity.
There are also a ton of crap horror movies with T&A every 3 minutes.

The only genre that "requires" T&A is porn.
Want scares? Watch good horror.
Want Wood? Get on the internet.

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Um....uh...I don't ...I got nothin.'  neutral

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well said, maven tongue

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GREAT post Wolph.

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Hook, line and sinker.

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I've got to toss this one back, sorry innspecter

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No need to apologize, it doesn't always work out exactly the way you see it in your head.

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Apologies? I don't want to sound like a tired record lol and it was a great article innspecter. Yet I am going to echo something along the lines of what Meh said a while ago. An article that causes passion or furore is a good article because the objective really is everyone has their opinions and ideas. There's no right or wrong really but more our perception.

Articles are always going to divide people on HM.CA because we all have different ideas of horror movies and what they epitomise, what might seem fine to me might be to others something they have no real interest in.

I don't think neither of you needs to apologize you put your thoughts across eloquently. Innspecter made a great piece that caused people to talk and deliberate, he did a brilliant job in the end and Deady you said what your opinion was, there's nothing wrong with that. A bit of debate is good for the art and I love truly, that this article actually caused us to think.

In a nutshell it was a good article because it set out to do what it did. That's my two cents lol. Please do not hate me for saying this smile

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First and most importantly, nobody better start hating anyone else for what's said on the boards.  That makes no sense...so no one hates you BTK.  So put that out of of your mind right now.

Secondly, I wrote this as a humorous look at a valid aspect of horror films.  As far as the line about exploitation, I do feel that horror is a perfect vehicle for exploitation of all types.  Exploitation goes a far way to making great points and can also be fun.  Cannibal Holocaust is just as exploitative as Addio Zio Tom or Dolemite or Blood for Dracula.  They just exploit in different ways. 

The science part of the article is all true, however.  Use that factual knowledge to your advantage however you see fit when explaining to people about horror films and how they make you feel. 

As far as apologies go, I'm sure as hell not making any, so no one else should either.  Did my humor come off in an obvious way?  Nope...but sometimes that's just how cookie crumbles.  I put the article out there for all of you to read, so now it's yours.  Do with it what you will.  I'm just glad you're reading.

Last edited by innspecter (2009-04-20 13:26:05)

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Wow, I couldn't disagree with this article more. I really don't care if horror movies have nudity or not. And I HATE horror movies that have no plot, so they just throw in some gore and boobs and think we will be happy.

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I would love to point out I hate no-one except that bloody monkey hiding under my bed. And innspecter smile in trying to say something I went all arty-fancy lol what I meant was I loved the article you did big_smile End of. lol

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I tend to watch horror films by myself... hmmmm... suddenly everything makes sense... big_smile   lol

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innspecter wrote:

Secondly, I wrote this as a humorous look at a valid aspect of horror films.

Wait........, you were only joking?
Does this mean that you don't like boobies?! lol

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I never said every single line was untrue.

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Sorry but I do not agree and find your premise rather dated. My mother and I where both horror freaks, my father never and my husband used to ring me at work freaked  because there was a spider in the house.  They still make films with the screaming women (which I hate) but they also have the women who are the only survivors and fight back-clothed. I am not a supporter of gratuitous sex, but its ok if it fits the storyline. Though now most horrors are aimed at the teen market, so an increase in the amount of titillation is to be expected, but again is that because studios do not give people credit for their own intelligence.
I also find that it is in America where this Puritan attitude to nudity rears its ugly head. In Europe and England it is not a big thing.
There might be a fine line between sex and fear but in all honesty, if your life was threatened would you be having sex or trying to save your life?

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Very, very good article and makes a perfect point

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i read an interesting article a while back about the My Bloody Valentine remake which talked a lot about teenagers and how uncomfortable they were in the test screenings when that girl was running around the motel naked for like 15 minutes.  The filmmaker's had a theory that with this generation of kids (>18) that sex, nudity, and outright sexuality were all something that you did/saw/experienced in private.

Like flirting with someone via myspace/facebook or looking at porno on the interweb and doin' the one handed slam dance (i'm talking about masturbation).

Do you think that may have something to do with people's perceptions of T&A in horror movies?

I liked the article innspecter! Keep it coming!

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innspecter wrote:

I never said every single line was untrue.

Then you sir, are my hero! lol