Re: Bluray Giving DVD Owners The Shaft! Bend Over!

jmh314 wrote:

I like how this whole discussion started because of the lack of features on Trick r Treat, a movie that we are lucky is finally coming out at all, special features or no special features

True, true.

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<INSERT MACHO NAME HERE> wrote:

So what if we're complaining? We're entitled to complain if we're being shafted by big business.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was referring to the people who say WE are complaining.

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So was I wink

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Picture quality isn't the only improvement, uncompressed sound is astounding if you have the rig for it. As for being force fed an upgrade, you're right, that's exactly what happened. I for one appreciate the additional quality in both picture and sound and swore not to re-purchase my catalogue as the studios may have wanted. Of course I did though on more than one occasion; and saw marked improvement in Halloween for example, a movie I've watched since I was a little kid and saw colors I'd never seen before and way more depth. If you don't want to upgrade, simply don't do it. If all your missing out on is a few special features, wait until they start releasing exclusive cuts on BR, then you'll really have something to argue against,
Also note, Blu-Ray will never truly kill DVD, since a player does actually upconvert your old DVD's, movies like Strip Nude for you Killer (which will never see a blu-ray release) look even better. So old catalogue favorties that may never see BR release are at very least the best they can be, IMO.

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<INSERT MACHO NAME HERE> wrote:

So was I wink

Ok. lol There was a bit of miscommunication.

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azathoth wrote:
31 wrote:
KidKappa wrote:

you guys seriously need to stop your complaining, blu-ray has superior video and audio quality, along with more storage space for, you guessed it, special features.  Maybe the reason dvd's don't have special features anymore is because the video bitrate is higher thus using more space.  If the price was the same you guys would all be saying, why are you getting it on dvd when blu-ray is so much better.  A previous post was just talking about the T4 dvdscr which they called "perfect quality" yeah not even on a 2inch nano screen is that perfect quality.  It basically comes down to price for most people, just cuz you're cheap doesn't mean one product isn't better than the other.

Studios could easily release those special features on a second DVD though. I'm also skeptical that there's "more room" on a blu-ray disc. Does a minute of blu-ray video take up a smaller proportion of disc space than on DVD? Regardless it's an obvious ploy to sell blu-ray to the masses.

Actually a Blu-Ray disc can hold around 25GB of data compared to 9GB for a dual layer DVD.  It's because the BR laser has a smaller wavelength (450nm to 980nm ?), so more tracks can be laid into the same amount of space since each track is narrower.

As for KidK- Prime and 31 mostly got you covered.  As for your "video bitrate" bit (ha!), BR bitrate has nothing to do with DVD bitrate.  Extra features means extra data to store, and if you have more than 9GB of data, you need to go to a 2nd disc.  Also, BR doesn't have superior audio qualtiy as DVD already have digital Dolby, STTS, 5.1, 7.1, whatever.  At this point you would need a near pro audio setup to tell the difference.  I grant BD has better video resolution since it can do 1080i video.  The problem is that not enough people have 1080i TVs, and if they do they are not large enough to really see any difference.  Switching to DVDs made a huge impact because almost every TV could be used and there was a huge difference in quality from VHS.  So DVD got popular mighty quick.  BR is essentially an incremental step up.

It will be a while before BR players drop into the same price range as DVD players.  Heavy processors for the larger bitrate (ah, used correctly), built-in hard drive/SSDs/flash, and network ports.  Overhead costs for BR Live sites (until that starts getting charged). 

And there is no reason for BR discs to be more expensive.  The physical manufacturing is the same.  A few extra cycles to encode into BR is not breaking the bank.  There is no reason for a similar DVD and BR should be priced differently.  So, let's make exclusive content for BR!  Sorry, I'll wait.

(I think I fell into engineer mode for a moment  big_smile )

Wow are you way off, first of here are the bitrates:

DVD - Total peak 10.08 Mbit/s

Avg Bluray - Roughly 30 Mbit/s

So given the same movie a Bluray file is 3x the size.  Thus taking up more room.

Now as for the statement that Bluray doesn't have superior sound quality,  yes DVD's have Dolby Digital and DTS, both great lossy codecs, but show me a handful of DVD's with DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD. 

Now on to your statement of Bluray being able to do 1080i video, which is completely true but you neglect to mention that bluray actually most commonly does 1080p video you just may not have a good enough TV and your setup may be downscaling your picture.  Shiddy luck. 

Now on to your statement about the the quality jump from VHS to DVD.  VHS will do 250 lines of resolution, DVD 480, and Bluray 1080.  There for the jump is 230 lines of resolution from VHS to DVD, or 1.92x.  The jump from DVD to bluray is 600 lines of resolution or 2.25x, either was the jump from DVD to bluray is superior. 

As for the statement that the manufacturing costs are the same i'm sure buying all new equipment and presses and changing lines cost the manufacturers mere pennies and since you seem to be such an expert as to say "just a few extra cycles" you must be right.

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The only complaint I have about BluRays are poor transfers. I have a great 46 inch Samsung 1080p, 120hz LCD and my friend's DVD of Midnight Meat Train looks the same as my BluRay. Sometimes they do poor transfers. When that occurs I am pissy. But overall, I definitely prefer the BluRay over the DVD. It's the difference between VHS and DVD times 100 for me. Now if only BluRay porn wasn't so expensive. wink hahaha

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lol at the stupid people thinking that bluray doesnt improve the picture quality at all..

i was once like you..

know this...

it DOES improve picture quality...

it IS stupidly expensive for what it is...

but you know what!? there are plenty of dumbcxnts with money to piss away, who WILL buy bluray.

im buying D9 on bluray for 50 bux when it comes out...

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azathoth wrote:
31 wrote:
KidKappa wrote:

you guys seriously need to stop your complaining, blu-ray has superior video and audio quality, along with more storage space for, you guessed it, special features.  Maybe the reason dvd's don't have special features anymore is because the video bitrate is higher thus using more space.  If the price was the same you guys would all be saying, why are you getting it on dvd when blu-ray is so much better.  A previous post was just talking about the T4 dvdscr which they called "perfect quality" yeah not even on a 2inch nano screen is that perfect quality.  It basically comes down to price for most people, just cuz you're cheap doesn't mean one product isn't better than the other.

Studios could easily release those special features on a second DVD though. I'm also skeptical that there's "more room" on a blu-ray disc. Does a minute of blu-ray video take up a smaller proportion of disc space than on DVD? Regardless it's an obvious ploy to sell blu-ray to the masses.

Actually a Blu-Ray disc can hold around 25GB of data compared to 9GB for a dual layer DVD.  It's because the BR laser has a smaller wavelength (450nm to 980nm ?), so more tracks can be laid into the same amount of space since each track is narrower.

As for KidK- Prime and 31 mostly got you covered.  As for your "video bitrate" bit (ha!), BR bitrate has nothing to do with DVD bitrate.  Extra features means extra data to store, and if you have more than 9GB of data, you need to go to a 2nd disc.  Also, BR doesn't have superior audio qualtiy as DVD already have digital Dolby, STTS, 5.1, 7.1, whatever.  At this point you would need a near pro audio setup to tell the difference.  I grant BD has better video resolution since it can do 1080i video.  The problem is that not enough people have 1080i TVs, and if they do they are not large enough to really see any difference.  Switching to DVDs made a huge impact because almost every TV could be used and there was a huge difference in quality from VHS.  So DVD got popular mighty quick.  BR is essentially an incremental step up.

It will be a while before BR players drop into the same price range as DVD players.  Heavy processors for the larger bitrate (ah, used correctly), built-in hard drive/SSDs/flash, and network ports.  Overhead costs for BR Live sites (until that starts getting charged). 

And there is no reason for BR discs to be more expensive.  The physical manufacturing is the same.  A few extra cycles to encode into BR is not breaking the bank.  There is no reason for a similar DVD and BR should be priced differently.  So, let's make exclusive content for BR!  Sorry, I'll wait.

(I think I fell into engineer mode for a moment  big_smile )

Why then, after realizing this change-of-state to 'engineer mode', would you take the time to acknowledge that and type this recognition instead of just re-formatting your text suited for the layperson? 

If you were truly not looking for props, and this screams that you are, because you are an 'engineer', why would you care to type that?

Re: Bluray Giving DVD Owners The Shaft! Bend Over!

For your first post on this site that's not a great start.
Or did you sign up specifically to act like a troll?