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Ulta - here here! I totally agree with you. I want something that is going to absolutely terrify me, but I'm gradually losing hope that that will ever happen

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Ms.Gorefiend wrote:

I'm hoping for a resurgence of atmospheric horror films like The House of the Devil, The Innkeepers, The Woman in Black, etc. (Wouldn't it be great if we had a Hammer revival?) The problem with this is that some don't get or have the patience for slow-burners that are light on gore but heavy on atmosphere and back-story.

My secret wish is for the bizarro fiction sub-genre to find its way onto the big screen. It would be awesome to see horror get really weird and strange but have intelligent underlying social commentary. However, if John Dies at the End bombs then that likely won't happen.

I also think we may get more cross genre films which would be great. However, I have a feeling shock-and-gore films aren't going anywhere. It seems that some filmmakers think pushing the limits of extreme and disturbing make for good horror movies. Unfortunately there are more bad than good in that category.

And god, please, let the remake craze will die out soon.

I get ur point about some filmakers pushing the limits of gore and violence for its sake, without considering any other critical elements of good filmmaking. I started watching The Orphan Killer (2011) couple of days ago and had to switch it off in the first 10 minutes. We jump straight into our first slasher kill within the first 5 minutes, which is very graphic, gory and accompanied with some very annoying death metal after unnecessarily lengthy opening shots from the air following our characters. The acting up to this point was also relatively poor and several cheap scare techniques had already been employed. I had the distinct impression this would last for the rest of the film without any, for example, meaningful character development . Definitely not my thing

Take something like Hobo with a Shotgun though. The gore in that film is used very creatively and intelligently within other brilliantly executed elements of filmmaking. Its not supposed to be a deep film but its intelligent use of gore, sharp dialogue, great characterisation etc make it a blast.

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@ Vasquez  I'm all for gore when used in creative ways that actually fit the story being told rather than just gore for the sake of it. Hobo is a good example, or The Loved Ones, or even Dead Hooker in a Trunk where they are going for a specific grindhouse feel.

The other side of the coin is extreme elements meant to shock audiences. If it fits the story, good, great, give it to me. But if you're going to throw it in there, make it meaningful and pertinent to the film. Martyrs is a good example of extreme and thought-provoking. It's the other side of extreme horror I don't care for. I watched maybe twenty minutes of one of the August Underground films just to see what all the brouhaha was about. I ended up shutting it off. I'm just not interested in brutality and gore simply for the sake of it...Slaughtered Vomit Dolls, The Guinea Pig series...you get my point. I'm hoping this is one area of horror that doesn't expand and grow.

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HorrorQueen17 wrote:

Ulta - here here! I totally agree with you. I want something that is going to absolutely terrify me, but I'm gradually losing hope that that will ever happen

You've obviously never seen me after I wake and before I had my morning tea.  big_smile

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Ms.Gorefiend wrote:

@ Vasquez  I'm all for gore when used in creative ways that actually fit the story being told rather than just gore for the sake of it. Hobo is a good example, or The Loved Ones, or even Dead Hooker in a Trunk where they are going for a specific grindhouse feel.

The other side of the coin is extreme elements meant to shock audiences. If it fits the story, good, great, give it to me. But if you're going to throw it in there, make it meaningful and pertinent to the film. Martyrs is a good example of extreme and thought-provoking. It's the other side of extreme horror I don't care for. I watched maybe twenty minutes of one of the August Underground films just to see what all the brouhaha was about. I ended up shutting it off. I'm just not interested in brutality and gore simply for the sake of it...Slaughtered Vomit Dolls, The Guinea Pig series...you get my point. I'm hoping this is one area of horror that doesn't expand and grow.

Totally agree with all ut points. I also watched August Underground and like, you just got really bored with it and turned it off within 15 minutes. Aswell as smaller budget movies Hostel and the later Saw sequels i believe are also guilty of some of these points. Heres hoping that more new filmmakers push the genre toward more originality rather than more gore. What the genre needs is a groundbreaking movie that will begin a whole new sub genre and shake it up, like Halloween and to lesser extent Hooper's original TCM did for the american slasher sub genre.

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With Cabin in the Woods and PROMETHEUS and also Scream 4 we are seeing a mix between a remake and just pure well done homage as far as Mainstream horror goes...  Both Cabin in the Woods and Prometheus were throwbacks and though they weren't far from remakes, they were very original in their own ways.  Getting a Sci Fi Horror as big as Prometheus could really start something in that genre. 


Also in 2013 there are remakes galore coming.  Evil Dead, It, Hellraiser, Suspiria.  The Thing and Fright Night really were pretty good so maybe we are getting past the Friday the 13th/Nightmare on Elm St/Last House on the Left quality remakes and starting to actually get some halfway decent ones.

I'm hoping the new horror cycle is simply we are finally starting to get some decent mainstream horror...

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http://www.fugly.com/pictures/12687/skeleton_bike.html

Horror cycle....get it

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I am so tired of remakes....even if they are well done it's still a story we have seen before.  It just takes all the fun out of it!  We know the ending!   Prequels are better, but I would rather see something original like Cabin in the woods, Some Guy who kills people, Innkeepers, The Awakening, The Loved Ones...   

It would be fun to get a new spin on some classics though.  Hammer is talking about resurrecting the Dracula series and there is another Frankenstein in the works already.  So we will see what happens.  Maybe a light take on it like The Monster Squad would be fun?  I am looking forward to Frankenweenie and Paranorman the most right now.  I will go to see Evil Dead but I am not expecting much.

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LoudLon wrote:
ChainSaW80 wrote:

Then there was Prometheus, witch didn't have huge box office success either I don't believe but their already planning a sequel. I can see them doing another trilogy here...

Which reminds me...

Trilogies.  I'm sick of trilogies.  Everything's a trilogy these days.  Trilogies and sequels.  Fuck 'em.

I give you my word: if I ever have a script produced, if I ever get to direct a movie, I will have it in my contract that at no time afterward will I be asked to write a sequel.  Every script I write is designed to be a stand-alone film, with a definite ending and no more story to tell.  If a sequel is made to any film I might have produced, I will refuse to acknowledge it.

I agree with that...trilogy and franchises. I don't feel a need for em unless they already this epic long story already plotted out like QT with Kill Bill and George Lucas with star wars and such. Saw was an amazing movie, and though I got some mild entertainment from the series, it was never intended to be what it became. It was just an opportunity to cash in on the success of the first one and they rushed out a script every year and that shows on some of the films.

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Scream 4 a remake? Did I watch the same movie...

I'm getting a bit fed up of vampires too. I'd like to see some more vampires that were like Anne Rice vamps. Terrifying, bloody thirsty, evil and above all, sexy! Remember vampires that spoke in almost poetic prose? Or those vampires that tore throats out and still make it look good? Vampires with decadence living in gothic mansions with thick red velvet curtains and candles mounted on golden wall holders. *Sigh* those were the days when vampires were stuff of nightmares.

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I think that studios ran out of ideas and now are planning to do worthless sequels and remakes. They even might remake Scream, Hostel, The Thing, Land of The Dead, The Burning etc.... in a few decades. For sequels movies like Paranormal Activity is getting each year a sequel now beginning in 2010.

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^
I thought Weinstein was actually thinking about remaking The Burning?

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A Lost Boy wrote:

I think that studios ran out of ideas and now are planning to do worthless sequels and remakes. They even might remake Scream, Hostel, The Thing, Land of The Dead, The Burning etc.... in a few decades. For sequels movies like Paranormal Activity is getting each year a sequel now beginning in 2010.

Saw was the same. Each year at Halloween there'd be a new movie, PA seems to be following the same pattern. And why not? If they keep raking in the money they're gonna keep making it. It's how sequels happen! Greedy production companies see the dollar signs rolling in their eyes and spout them out.

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You know it's bad when ESPN is linking to articles trouncing Hollywood remakes.  Not a great article, but rather odd coming from a mostly sports writer.

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What is the world coming to! I have no real issue with remakes tbh. They don't upset me or annoy me, if I don't want to watch them I wont but I hate it when production companies capitalise on successful horror movies from other countries. Things like Let The Right One In, Susperia, Oldboy to name a few recent ones. Taking ideas and remaking movies from Asia isn't anything new. The Ring, The Grudge etc but it just seems like such a cheap thing to do. Take an original or good idea from another country and pass it off as their own ideas and most casual horror fans don't know it. I didn't know The Ring was a remake until I came across it by accident once before I really got into horror. The Uninvited is a remake too and you'll only know that if you've seen both the remake and the original (Don't wanna say the name of the original so not to spoil it for those who have see one and not the other). I'll probably still watch Oldboy remake even though I adore the original but I will probably be sceptical.

The Evil Dead remake I'm more hopeful about. I think dropping Ash was the best move they could have made. Then there's no "well he's no Bruce Campbell" and making the constant comparisons. I think it'll work better as a stand alone. The movie has its flaws, there's no such thing as a perfect movie.

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The odd thing is, if these remakes were just given a different title (and character names), people would probably say, "Hey, that looks a lot Halloween (etc.), kind of a rip off, but not bad (depending if they liked the movie)." 

Slap the "remake" label on it, and instant derision among 1/2 of the fans.  But from that article I linked, it seems like that the studio gave about 1/3 of a poop about making a good Total Recall movie.   Call it 'Electric Dreams' or something, and you just bumped your opening weekend by about $20 million.

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It is not that the studios ran out of ideas.  There are writer's EVERYWHERE.  Studios have realized that they don't even have to make a decent film to make tons of money off of it.  They can remake horror movies like Last House on the Left which a lot of non horror fans have never even heard about, and they can still make money off of the name because it is decently known.  Slap a Nightmare on Elm St on the title, or Total Recall, and it is going to sell on the title alone. 

Hollywood HAS NOT run out of idea's, it is just that studios are not as interested in original ideas anymore because it is not original ideas that make the good money.  In the 80s everyone was looking for an original Spielberg style story.  Zemeckis, Donner, Columbus, Joe Dante, even Carpenter admitted he was trying with movies like Starman.  All these director's/Writer's were looking to write a great original movie because movies like ET were what was making the big bucks in the theaters.  Now that original scripts aren't making the big bucks, they clearly are not as in demand.

Hollywood has not run out of ideas.  Every writer has great idea's, it is just a matter of getting studios to bite.  Tarrantino has probably 10 scripts in his back pocket.

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LoudLon wrote:

Personally, I think the next trend will be updating the more traditional monsters; we'll get new twists on old familiars like Frankenstein, the Wolf Man, Dracula, etc.  That's what I think will be the next trend.

What I would like to be the next trend is, as Az mentioned, a return of demon/devil/religious-themed horror movies of the 80s, but done in a more cerebral 70s style.  We need something along the lines of The Exorcist, The Omen or The Sentinel.  Not remakes, mind you -- just those types of movies, to wash the taste of torture porn and found footage films out of our mouths.

I think we've already gotten our updated Exorcist style films with Paranormal Activity 1, 2, 3, and 4 and also Insidious.


Saw, the Strangers(terrible terrible ending), Hostel, the movies that rely on pure torture porn, that shit is OVER.  Hopefully that can be the beginning to the cycle right there.  Grindhouse(love this shit), Paranormal Activity, Cabin in the Woods(really made around 09), Prometheus, The Innkeepers, Insidious, .  We are actually getting some truly good scary movies, that don't rely on terrible terrible gore to make you squirm.  They actually rely on good directing....

Mainstream horror is still producing a lot of crap, but from about 98 to about 2005 I don't think I could say I loved very many Mainstream horror movies.  Since about 2006 on we have actually gotten some damn good ones.

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I happen to love the "torture porn" time we had (I fucking hate that term). I loved Saw and was asucker for all of them. Hostel I didn't enjoy because the story was missing but the new ones had a pretty good story and some great kills, yeah it had plot holes but it was fun.

If hollywood hasn't run out of ideas then where are they? If an idea is good enough they will pick it up. I am pretty much sticking to the indie and foreign horrors until something mainstreme blows me away.

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Zombie, classic monsters, slasher, found footage, ghost, and torture films are here to stay. All these sub genres have paved their way into the horror industry as main stays. What is the next trend in horror? If we fast forward 10 years down the road, I think, and I hate to say this, Re-makes/Re-boots will continue to rule the roost.

The movie industries bigger studios will continue to roll with the higher probability of success of a well known movie franchise, rather than roll the dice on something fresh/new. It's all about the money, as we all know. I honestly don't foresee anything new surfacing and taking the horror genre by storm. " God I hope I'm wrong!"

Possible next big horror thing...?

With the recent string of terrorist attacks since 911, possibly the studios will incorporate this theme, and come up with a big winner?

Maybe blend two sub-genres into one film? How? I don't know?? ( Lon/Ace, get on it.)

Time travel?

With the gazillion dollars that were made on the classic vampire/werewolf theme in the twilight movie franchise. I can see that continuing theme sticking around too. Hopefully * fingers crossed* the classic movie monsters like Frankenstein, Creature From The Black Lagoon, Dracula...etc will resurface? Just not the sparkly, lubby-dubby kind mad!!

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UltraViolence " I happen to love the "torture porn"  (I fucking hate that term).

Same here. I dig all kinds of horror, but the extreme torture themed movies are the one's that make me cringe and some times turn away. I like my horror films brutal. Especially the one's that are based upon teal life events.  IMO there's nothing scarier than that

There are exceptions though. Slaughtered Vomit Dolls and a hand full of other films just don't do it for me. The Guinea Pig series I do like though.

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Though, as I said before i hate pushing violence and gore in films for its own sake and without consideration for other elements I do love the french film Martyrs. Thats a 'torture porn' (I hate that term also but ill make a exception with the first Hostel because that basically describes its own poor story) with some brains and intelligence behind it in combination with its powerful and sometimes beautiful imagery. If the trend in explicitly gory films continues then i wanna see more of them with brains ala Martyrs plz.

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UltraViolence wrote:

I happen to love the "torture porn" time we had (I fucking hate that term). I loved Saw and was asucker for all of them. Hostel I didn't enjoy because the story was missing but the new ones had a pretty good story and some great kills, yeah it had plot holes but it was fun.

If hollywood hasn't run out of ideas then where are they? If an idea is good enough they will pick it up. I am pretty much sticking to the indie and foreign horrors until something mainstreme blows me away.

Yea I didn't mean to knock anyone that enjoys that type of thing, but I do have a problem with the era because Director's concentrate on the gore than actually making a good movie.  To make a good movie that has torture scenes is one thing, but to make a movie that's only redeeming quality is the shock value it gets from the torture scenes I have a big problem with. 

And then also scenes that are too gory kill my high...

The Strangers for a example...

Went to this movie back in 06 or whatever and thought it was OK until the very end, where I learned a little about the movie industry.  The movie had a lot of dumb moments like when the guy shot his brother or whatever with a shotgun, but the ending was just wow.  THE ONLY way the Director could leave with a bang was to literally make you sit there and listen/watch while the main actress was gutted for no reason.  Just a DESPERATE, desperate attempt at making the audience feel something.  I realized then that the Horror industry these days would rather take the easy way out to make you squirm, rather than actually thinking of a clever/suspenseful way to do it.

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I'm a bit of a gore hound so a nasty kill scene works for me. I liked Mother's Day for its sheer mean spirited feel (directed by Saw 2,3 and 4's Darren Lynn Bousman). A nasty little film that brought some great moments of gore with a pretty good storyline.

It's just the term that annoys me. It makes me feel like I'm wrong for liking that particular sub genre. I think I may have debated this with someone healthily on skype recently. Dunno if we came up with a better term though.

The Strangers was an utter disapointment. Royally annoyed with it. I spent the entire film wanting it to get better. I know it got a fair reception but for me it was disapointing especially as my biggest fear is home invasions. A few people recomended Them (Ils) to me on my other group so will be checking that one out.

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^^ I hate the term too and I dig good gory kill scenes. It's the films like August Mordum I don't care for. I want a decent plot, not pseudo snuff (this is the stuff I would rather not see gain more notoriety and is what I would consider "torture porn").

I loved Inside and Martyrs. More films in that vein would be great. I'm also a fan of some of the Asian extreme films as in Grotesque and Audition. The Hostel and Saw films were just so-so for me, I remember some of the great death scenes, but the movies as a whole were just okay.

I haven't seen Mother's Day. I'll have to check that out.

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