Topic: Almost The Same

Buffy and Smallville have the same basic format. A savior-like protagonist with super powers either fights a "monster of the week" or makes progress on the main storyline (final boss) of the season or series. Buffy and Clark both have Scooby gangs, and both make that transition from high school to university to real world. In a different-but-same way, the X-Files kind of perfected the modern "monster of the week" vs. overarching storyline format.

Vampire Diaries and True Blood are very similar. Normal girl falls in love with vampire, girl discovers she's special (doppelganger, fairy, whatever). Girl loves straight laced vampire, hates bad boy vampire, later changes her mind, then it turns out straight laced has a dark side. Girl's human brother is her only family, her black best friend is a witch, cue the studly werewolf, etc. Twilight isn't that close, but there are similarities there as well.

Also, ever notice Psych, The Mentalist, Monk, Colombo, etc. all have the same format? More include Girls and Sex and the City and Friends and Happy Endings. My favorites are Monsters, Twilight Zone, Tales from the Darkside, Night Gallery, Outer Limits, Friday the 13th series, Masters of Horror, etc, basically the same thing with a different tone of voice.

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Psych, Monk, Columbo, The Mentalist are all plays on Sherlock Holmes.  Even House M.D. was, though a more literal one; House = home = Holmes, Wilson = Watson.  Solving complex (medical) mysteries.

Though to be fair, Psych did come before The Mentalist.  Psych actually made a lot of jokes referencing The Mentalist for stealing its act, but recently main character Shawn Spencer commented that the show gets a bad rap.  And really they're not the same at all, particularly in tone.  Psych is a slapstick comedy, The Mentalist is a dark drama with touches of wit.  Psych is about a hyper-observant guy pretending to be a psychic, The Mentalist is about a guy who used to pretend to be a psychic but came clean after his family was killed by a serial killer he taunted on live television.  Still, I enjoy all these shows; Psych and The Mentalist are two of my favorites.

The show Supernatural has a lot in common with The X-Files; they have their main story/mythology episodes, intermingled with monster-of-the-week episodes.  But it's not surprising considering one of the long-time producers on X-Files went on to produce Supernatural as well.  Also, I don't think many people are aware of the fact that one of Supernaturals producers, Ben Edlund, is the guy who created the comic book-turned-cartoon character The Tick. 

BAM!  You just got triva-ed. big_smile

Last edited by LoudLon (2013-04-06 21:32:11)

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I agree, these new detective series are Sherlock clones. I'm a fan of Monk and The Mentalist. I've never seen Supernatural, but it sounds interesting. The X-Files is one of my favorites.

Last edited by PostGhost (2013-04-12 01:11:18)

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Talk about the same...how about CSI, NCIS, NCIS:SVU, CSI:Miami, Law & Order, Criminal Minds, Law & Order: CI, Hawaii Five 0.............

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^^^
Urgh, all of those I can't stand. Except old school 80's Hawaii 5 0.

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I would say Vampire Diaries and True Blood have more in common with Buffy for the reasons stated in the OP. Girl falls in love with straight-laced Vamp, then the Bad Boy Vamp. But really, all three are influenced by the all too commonly used story line of Mina Harker falling in love with Dracula (Johnathan Harker can probably take the place of the straight-laced non-Vamp since he was bitten by the sisters). Diaries also has the girl being the spitting image of another girl from the Vamp's past, which is another concept used in a lot of Dracula scenarios. So, essentially Dracula is the archetype they're working with.

BUT, none of that happened in the novel. Basically it's a major misunderstanding of the source material. But that's beside the point I guess.

Anyway, most TV shows, movies, books, etc can be narrowed down to an archetype, hence the similarities.

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PostGhost wrote:

I've never seen Supernatural, but it sounds interesting. The X-Files is one of my favorites.

I resisted watching that show for seven years, thinking, eh, it's just a couple pretty boys monster hunters, it's probably dumb as hell, catering to the teenaged girl crowd.  Then last summer I was bored, couldn't find anything to watch, and DLed the first season.  Lon = hooked instantly.  There are a couple seasons where the mythology gets...well...ludicrous, but otherwise it's a cool little show.  And it made me a fan of Jensen Ackles, who brings all kinds of nuances and subtlety to an over-the-top ass-kicker role.

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ChainSaW80, I don't watch those shows regularly, but I'm familiar enough with them to know that, yeah, they're pretty much all the same, and it seems like every time I turn on the TV at least one of them is on. How did they get so popular?

NonEuclidean, you're right. Angel is straight laced, Spike is the bad boy, then it turns out Angel has a dark side and Buffy falls for Spike. The witch is white in Buffy but it's still the female best friend, and instead of the brother being her only family it's a sister. It's scary how similar these shows are, like the studios have one template and shuffle the minor details around every few years to create a new series.

LoudLon, I will check out Supernatural. I like getting hooked on new series, especially when they have been on awhile I can watch a bunch of episodes in a row.

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Also a big fan of Supernatural.  Has the same kind of progression as X-Files.  Overall story arc, each season has an arc, and there are standalone episodes.  Not saying the arc epis are bad, but the standalones can be flat out awesome, either action or funny, or both.

As for shows being similar, there's the saying that there are only 7 stories to tell.

Crime based:
Crime >  Investigation & Discovery > Solving Crime

Supernatural:
Creature & Death > Investigation & Fighting > Solution

Romance:
Boy Meets Girl (traditionally) > Problems > Solution & Makeup

Action:
Problem(s) >  Fighting &  Discovery > Solution & Shit Blowed Up

You get the idea; basically every story can be broken down to 3 parts.  Except porn:
Sex > More Sex > Weird Sex > Midget Donkey Sex > Weirder Sex > Leprechaun Outer Space Weird Sex > Sex on Uranus ( lol ) > Ron Jeremy & Anything Sex.


edit- I just realized that the graphic after "Sex on Uransus" can be very disturbing depending on how you interpret it.

Last edited by azathoth (2013-04-12 08:58:51)

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LoudLon wrote:
PostGhost wrote:

I've never seen Supernatural, but it sounds interesting. The X-Files is one of my favorites.

I resisted watching that show for seven years, thinking, eh, it's just a couple pretty boys monster hunters, it's probably dumb as hell, catering to the teenaged girl crowd.  Then last summer I was bored, couldn't find anything to watch, and DLed the first season.  Lon = hooked instantly.  There are a couple seasons where the mythology gets...well...ludicrous, but otherwise it's a cool little show.  And it made me a fan of Jensen Ackles, who brings all kinds of nuances and subtlety to an over-the-top ass-kicker role.


I am glad you finally got around to watching supernatural.  What took you so long?  I think it's time for me to watch it again!  And I am a huge fan of Jensen Ackles.  I wish he was on Twitter.  *sigh*

http://youtu.be/R0Fz_egtEgc

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I'm slow sometimes, but I get there. lol