Topic: Are franchise "monsters" extinct?

Just something that came to my mind, where are the franchise horror characters? The ones they could build a decade around. The Freddy Kruegers, the Jason Voorhees', the Mike Myers', the Damien Thorns, or even a Candyman, which wasn't a high grossing franchise i guess, but i still count him as an iconic horror character. We had Jigsaw in the 2000's, but to me it seems like there are less and less iconic horror characters on the big screen. Do you guys think it's because of the market, the perception, so it's because of "us", or is it simply the lack of creativity on the movie makers' part? Is it harder to build a legend nowadays?

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Yeah, I guess it's harder but some new stuff still bring us some cool Monsters and Ghosts and the like. Pacific Rim and The Conjuring just to mention a few... I don't believe it's harder for movie makers. It's exactly the same as it always been. They just need to come up with more original stuff, it's harder nowadays...

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I agree, there are still good ideas, but it seems like it's hard to create a horror "legend" nowadays, that goes on to frighten a whole generation. I mean, i don't think any kids who spent most of him/her teens will think about the Saw franchise, Scream, or the Final Destination franchise the same way we did, growing up in the 80's, 90's, with those iconic horror "stars". I guess Samara from The Ring came the closest in the 2000's, but she was still very far from that status. I hope they come up with a character in the next couple years that can have an impact like that.

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It's the market, the younger crowd now days wants torture porn not scary monsters. I'd say today's crowd is desensitized to creepy images and are looking to be shocked by situational horror. Seeing a ghost is child's play when comparing it to imagining yourself suspended 4 stories in the air by nipple hooks. If there's no demand for the next generation of Pumpkinheads then it's just not going to happen.

However I personally love monsters and would invite any movie to feature one. I'm really looking forward to the next Prometheus, now that it will hopefully have xenomorphs in it. Hopefully it will be the rebirth of a string of movie monsters in 2015.

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It's hard to outdo the classics. Lets put it out there, the people you mentioned are the 'classic' "monsters" of the horror genre. That is without a doubt, and they will always stand the test of time. When them "monsters" were first introduced to us, the public, what other classics had we to compare them to? Little to none to be honest, and they were the main guys that kick started the whole thing.

Norman Bates was one of the first, if not the first. Then going on into the seventies with Leatherface and on and on, countless other characters then down the line in the eighties were trying to be created that were the night Bates, Leatherface, or Jason. It was the hit time of horror movies, and whatever ones became the faces of horror then, have become the legends now.

Now it's different, although the horror genre is still widely popular with people I believe it is nowhere close to where it was back when the legends were founded. And now that we have them, they will never be forgotten. And now, more than ever, it's hard to create a character that is original and likeable, but yet is a "monster". There will always be comparisons, and that's not saying legends will not be made now, but it's way more difficult.

Us horror fans idolize Leatherface, Freddie Kruger, Jason, Norman Bates, and so on and so on. Because they are the classics and they were there from the start. The genre has come a long way now, and with the tons upon tons of horror movies being made now (including the indie stuff) it's real tough to have an original character that is new. That is why many of these legends are being brought back, time after time. We already know them, we already like them, and we want to see more. The money is there to be made, and that is one reason why remakes and such are so popular.

But I do believe one "monster" that has come in now that may turn out to stick around is Slenderman, it seems to be a huge hit so far.

That's my two cents on it anyway.

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The WWE is suppose to be making a leprechaun movie.......hm I thought the see no evil character was pretty good. I wish they had made more movie based on the character.

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BubRub wrote:

It's the market, the younger crowd now days wants torture porn not scary monsters. I'd say today's crowd is desensitized to creepy images and are looking to be shocked by situational horror. Seeing a ghost is child's play when comparing it to imagining yourself suspended 4 stories in the air by nipple hooks. If there's no demand for the next generation of Pumpkinheads then it's just not going to happen.

However I personally love monsters and would invite any movie to feature one. I'm really looking forward to the next Prometheus, now that it will hopefully have xenomorphs in it. Hopefully it will be the rebirth of a string of movie monsters in 2015.

I think we have just recently moved past the torture porn craze. I honestly think Paranormal Activity was the first nail in the coffin. It seems like there's many more found footage flicks (which also seems to be slowing now) and going back to paranormal horror, with a bit more gore.

I do think that Saw may stand the test of time, and get itself remade in 10 years from now. Others like Final Destination and Paranormal Activity may not. Scream is hard to call it's been going for a decade and a half, maybe more, but there was nothing for almost 10 years.

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It's hard to come up with a new monster that will carry a franchise.  It would have to tap into archetypes or social schemes to have a widespread affect on society.  I could find Mr. Ed scary as H3LL, but without the rest of society, he's not carrying any weight.

We have already had Mikey as a force of nature (The Shape), Freddy in our dreamworld, Jason as some freakazoid, Candyman as urban legend, Final Destination as death, Exorcist/Omen/etc. as devil/demons, PA/Grave Encounters/Ghost Story as ghosts, Blair Witch/Conjuring/Witchboard as bad magic, Alien(s)/The Thing/4th Kind as aliens, Them/Frogs/Squirm as nature, kaiju for monsters, Drac-Franky-Wolfy-Mummy as the old timers.

So what's left, what's new or upcoming that's fresh (and no, Punk, you are not fresh lol )?  I could say Slendy or Black Eyed Kids, but I'm biased.  Meta-horror movies about Scientologist horror movies (Tom Cruise and John Travola are... Xenu Warriors From Hell)?

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What are Black Eyed Kids? Is that just like the japanese horror influenced stuff like the Ring and the Grudge etc.? Slenderman is somewhat of a phenomenon but will people be talking about him 2 years from now even? Without something to push it to the mainstream (like an actual theatrical release) I doubt it.

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Hahaha azathoth I maybe not be fresh but Samara is. To me that'd be the perfect kind of new breed Monsters. And your Xenu thing made me think that it'd ROCK to see Xena back in a Horror flick. Damn that'd be great.

But there's so many crazy creatures roaming around our plenet, they should do more animal influenced Horror. Imagine a possessed Tasmanian Devil. Would be badass. lol

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azathoth wrote:

It's hard to come up with a new monster that will carry a franchise.  It would have to tap into archetypes or social schemes to have a widespread affect on society.  I could find Mr. Ed scary as H3LL, but without the rest of society, he's not carrying any weight.

We have already had Mikey as a force of nature (The Shape), Freddy in our dreamworld, Jason as some freakazoid, Candyman as urban legend, Final Destination as death, Exorcist/Omen/etc. as devil/demons, PA/Grave Encounters/Ghost Story as ghosts, Blair Witch/Conjuring/Witchboard as bad magic, Alien(s)/The Thing/4th Kind as aliens, Them/Frogs/Squirm as nature, kaiju for monsters, Drac-Franky-Wolfy-Mummy as the old timers.

So what's left, what's new or upcoming that's fresh (and no, Punk, you are not fresh lol )?  I could say Slendy or Black Eyed Kids, but I'm biased.  Meta-horror movies about Scientologist horror movies (Tom Cruise and John Travola are... Xenu Warriors From Hell)?


Awesome (and funny) reply, thanks. smile I guess we have to conclude, that it's just gonna be extremely hard for them to do something like that anymore.

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kXnPunk wrote:

Hahaha azathoth I maybe not be fresh but Samara is. To me that'd be the perfect kind of new breed Monsters. And your Xenu thing made me think that it'd ROCK to see Xena back in a Horror flick. Damn that'd be great.

But there's so many crazy creatures roaming around our plenet, they should do more animal influenced Horror. Imagine a possessed Tasmanian Devil. Would be badass. lol

Always loved "animal horrors". Way back in the 80's we had the huge boar, the alligator in the drains, not a native speaker so don't remember the exact titles, also i saw them like 20 years ago, but good stuff. smile

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Any "monster" franchise would have to be marketed to no end. Remember that it's kids that will make it or break it. For a monster to build a following there would have to be an excellent video game and phone ap to keep them continuously interested.

The Birds remake should partner with Angry Birds.

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When I think of classic horror monsters I have to go back a little further... Frankenstein, The Wolfman, Phantom of the Opera, Dracula, The Creature, The Mummy... now these were classic monsters. I don't think we'll see anything like that again. Although I think Punk would dig a 50 foot woman alright!!

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^^^
Hahaha Definitely. A great movie BTW. big_smile

strider, they should hire you, Birds - Angry Birds would definitely sell like mad. And welcome to the MADhouse.

Gallo, animal Horror rules. Sasquatch, Burning Bright Anaconda even King Kong to name a few great ones.

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kXnPunk wrote:

^^^
Hahaha Definitely. A great movie BTW. big_smile

strider, they should hire you, Birds - Angry Birds would definitely sell like mad. And welcome to the MADhouse.

Gallo, animal Horror rules. Sasquatch, Burning Bright Anaconda even King Kong to name a few great ones.

Thank you. I started watching horror because my parents were drive-in fanatics. I was 5 when they went to see The Exorcist.

That pretty much made my appetite for movies. mad

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The iconic villains aren't going anywhere any time soon.
Whenever Hollywood runs out of original ideas they"re-imagine"  or "reboot"older movies.