Re: Jean Rollin

Sorry, Punk, you know you're in my cool book and all, but you'll never convince me that Rollins' films are art.  And to be honest, I disagree about the definition of art, as well.  I don't think it's purpose is to elicit a response or emotion; I think first and foremost it's the artist expressing his view of the world around him.  There's a point to it; every brush stroke serves a purpose.

And while Rollins admittedly has a good cinematic eye, his only point is pussy and gore.  No art involved, IMO.

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Beautiful images = Art. Period.

But you have the right to have your opinions even if they're strange, H3LL even more strange as mine. lol

True that Art is expressing the view of the world around him but if it wasn't shown to anyone [the reaction/emotion part] it'd be useless. People HAVE to see and have opinions about them.

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LoudLon wrote:

@ Mathis -- S'all good, that's why I gave you the friendly heads up. smile

As for my opinion on Rollin being intelligent and well-articulated...well, I'll give it a shot.

Generally speaking, the allure of graphic/un-simulated sex and graphic horror completely eludes me.  I completely understand (even if I don't agree with) the notion that sex and death are connected, and I understand Rollin claims his films to be examinations of the co-existence of the two.  But I think he doth protest too much, that he never intended to examine anything, and that he just wanted to see people having sex with guts and body parts lying about.  Not to mention that his films are invariably cheap, lurid and exploitative, which pulls the rug out from under his "it's art" argument.

I have to disagree with this. Rollin wouldn't even be on the set for an of the hardcore sex scenes. he may have had a morbid sexual curiosity, but to explore that is his art. So were themes of anarchy. Which are very prominent in Night of the Hunted and Grapes of Death (which is straight up horror). I believe at his worst what you describe is true, Rollin would often use multiple pseudonyms because he would not want to be linked artistcally to his works (like Zombie Lake for example, and many of his pornos), but he did it to make a living, and he delivered what people wanted. But any film that he put the name Jean Rollin on is an artistic statement, and not just cheap exploitation.

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I'll have to take your word for that one.  Because in all honesty, there are a number of his films I sometimes confuse with the works of Franco or D'Amato -- mostly because in my mind they're interchangeable, none really standing out all that much from the others. lol

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^^^
Iron Rose does.

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I dig Franco and what little D'Amato I have seen, but honestly they don't hold a candle compared to Rollin. They actually feel like exploitative and cheap flicks. A favourite of mine was in Female Vampire when our hottie heroine literally walks right into the camera, good job Franco.

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kXnPunk wrote:

^^^
Iron Rose does.

Yeah it is often cited as his best, or most artistic. I really liked it. But The Grapes of Death is a key watch if you're not into the euro erotic horror. Very reminiscent of Let Sleeping Corpses Lie, I don't even recall if there is nudity in it, probably, but it's definitely just a regular horror flick.

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^^^
Yeah the lack of nudity in Grapes Of Wrath is the main reason why it's not a favorite of mine still good but not Rape Of The Vampire or Iron Rose. You would have guessed anyways. lol

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SCHOOLGIRL HITCHHIKERS 1973

Fun non-horror one of his...

Full right here: http://youtu.be/LEXNaIY6Xio

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Of the non-horror films, how about Killing Car and/or Sidewalks of Bangkok? Anyobody a fan? I enjoyed Killing Car, it's very rough technically, though.
http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac275/mathisvogel/killing-car-jean-rollin-onset_zpsf5fc0e87.jpg

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I did a review for A Virgin Among the Living Dead in the "recently watched" thread.

Haven't seen those yet, they're on netflix right now but I haven't gotten around to it.

Re: Jean Rollin

mathisvogel wrote:

Of the non-horror films, how about Killing Car and/or Sidewalks of Bangkok? Anyobody a fan? I enjoyed Killing Car, it's very rough technically, though.
http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac275/mathisvogel/killing-car-jean-rollin-onset_zpsf5fc0e87.jpg

Oh damn yesss Killing Car is such a cool one. I dig it. smile

Haven't seen the Bangkok one yet though...

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kXnPunk wrote:

Haven't seen the Bangkok one yet though...

It's all right but I never revisit that one. A bit lacking in substance, perhaps.

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Alright, so now that I've finally sat down and actually watched a Jean Rollin movie, I can finally contribute something to this thread!

The Night of the Hunted (1980) - 7/10

I'm honestly not sure what to think of it yet. I might have to let the film sink in for awhile before I can properly review it, but it was an interesting watch nonetheless. First off, let me state the obvious, Briggite Lahaie (who, prior to working in this film, was a popular porn actress in France) has an absolutely gorgeous body, and her acting isn't at all bad either. I thought the story was pretty solid and coherent (I've read that other Rollin films aren't so much linear as they are about about pure mood). Lots of naked women and one incredibly long sex scene is featured. I'm not sure I understand what the effect of the sex scene was supposed to have on the viewer besides turning them on? lol Perhaps just to feature a more pleasant form of sexual exploitation which allows one to appreciate the aesthetics of the human body; pure, unadulterated eroticism...almost porn, but not quite. Some of the dialog scenes in the hospital were actually quite touching, as was the ending. I'm convinced that the dude who played the cold-hearted doctor could have done a much better job in convincing the audience of his character. Overall, not bad.

I look forward to seeing what Rollin's other films are like.

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The Creature-Meter (Movie Rating Scale/System, for your reference)
10 (A+) 9.5 (A) 9 (A-) 8.5 (B+) 8 (B) 7.5 (B-) 7 (C+)
6.5 (C) 6 (C-) 5.5 (D+) 5 (D) 4.5 (D-)
4, 3, 2 = Fail!
1 = Pitiful, the worst, a disease of a movie, etc., etc.

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Glad you enjoyed. Well I think that if you're turned on it means you enjoy. lol

And yes, Brigitte is one of Rollin's favorite actresses, she's in a bunch of his films. Even the more recent like La Fiancée De Dracula done in 2002. Which I'm currently in the process of downloading so I'll watch it tonight after my nap I'm about to take... After I eat.

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Re: Jean Rollin

After checking out Rollin's IMDB page, the only movie of his that I can really remember seeing is Zombie Lake. And I sort of remember not really digging it. I might be getting it confused with Shock Waves or some other Nazi Zombie flick from the late 70's/early 80's. Is Zombie Lake the one with the bright green Nazi Zombies?

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Yes it is. But they're not really that bright of a green.
The naked girls are brighter if you ask me. lol

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^ Haven't yet seen Zombie Lake, but if it's on the same plateau of trash as Hell of the Living Dead or Zombi 3, I look forward to seeing it!

The Living Dead Girl (1982) - 8/10

Although Night of the Hunted is considered one of Rollin's best films, I enjoyed The Living Dead Girl much more. I guess it's just more of a straight-up horror film (IMO) and therefore it's right up my alley. This is a fun vampire flick, with two lovely leads: Marino Pierro and Francoise Blanchard, both of whom did a fine job playing in their roles as "blood sisters". We get plenty of boobies (and a bit of bush), but no extended sex scenes (which I'm glad about, actually - it would have distracted from the story). The ending was such an all-out bloody gore-fest. Totally over-the-top, but I enjoyed it, needless to say. The Living Dead Girl is a cool flick!

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The Creature-Meter (Movie Rating Scale/System, for your reference)
10 (A+) 9.5 (A) 9 (A-) 8.5 (B+) 8 (B) 7.5 (B-) 7 (C+)
6.5 (C) 6 (C-) 5.5 (D+) 5 (D) 4.5 (D-)
4, 3, 2 = Fail!
1 = Pitiful, the worst, a disease of a movie, etc., etc.

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Zombie Lake is the one of them I like the less...

But yes Blanchard is great in Living Dead Girl. So is everybody anyways. smile

But please, watch Rape Of The Vampire and Iron Rose.
Those are to me the best he's ever done...

Rape Of The Vampire is a black and white one BTW.

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LoudLon wrote:

Sorry, Punk, you know you're in my cool book and all, but you'll never convince me that Rollins' films are art.  And to be honest, I disagree about the definition of art, as well.  I don't think it's purpose is to elicit a response or emotion; I think first and foremost it's the artist expressing his view of the world around him.  There's a point to it; every brush stroke serves a purpose.

And while Rollins admittedly has a good cinematic eye, his only point is pussy and gore.  No art involved, IMO.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with the Lonster on this one- great cinematographer, shitty scriptwriter and director.

I'm gonna so wedge in Zombie Lake in the next Movie Night, because I hate you all that much.  No, I mean love!  Yes, much love!  <snicker>

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^ They're both definitely on my list, Punk. Both are on my Amazon wishlist, too (which I use to keep track of what movies I need to see). My next movie haul, I'll probably be picking up Iron Rose, as I've found a bare-bones DVD release. Though Rape of the Vampire is a bit pricier, and I can't seem to find it for free online. So I may or may not see that one as soon as I'd like.

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Torrents man. smile

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^ M'yeah, I know. Though in all honestly, I'm like JUST getting started with torrenting. It's probably due to my ignorance with these things that I have an immediate distrust for downloading things off the 'net, which is why of course I've never been into torrents. I'm sure once you find your way around the sites, you can use your best judgement and not have to worry, but...bah. The last thing I want to do is infect my PC with a virus. Yeah, I know I'm lame like that. lol

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azathoth wrote:
LoudLon wrote:

Sorry, Punk, you know you're in my cool book and all, but you'll never convince me that Rollins' films are art.  And to be honest, I disagree about the definition of art, as well.  I don't think it's purpose is to elicit a response or emotion; I think first and foremost it's the artist expressing his view of the world around him.  There's a point to it; every brush stroke serves a purpose.

And while Rollins admittedly has a good cinematic eye, his only point is pussy and gore.  No art involved, IMO.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with the Lonster on this one- great cinematographer, shitty scriptwriter and director.

I'm gonna so wedge in Zombie Lake in the next Movie Night, because I hate you all that much.  No, I mean love!  Yes, much love!  <snicker>

Ha!  All the cool kids join Team Lon. big_smile

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Use the Kickass site and one thing you gotta look out is the seeds. More you have, faster it goes down.