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Good or Bad? Nightmare on Elm Street 2 Stirs War of Words!

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Good or Bad? Nightmare on Elm Street 2 Stirs War of Words!Last month we shared an article that BlondeRobyn girl wrote where she shared her list of the  5  Worst horror movie sequels.

As with all articles like this she got some polite disagreement, some completely uncalled for personal attacks and managed to catch the eye of Mark Patton who starred in Nightmare on Elm Street 2 as Jesse.

I think the key take away from any debate on good or bad horror movies is to remember its an opinion. I am entitled to mine, you are entitled to yours its all about tastes and the discussion that comes from it.

We love the genre so much we are willing to devote hours every day on the topic and occasionally face the wrath of you the readers.

Unfortunately Robyn’s tastes did not align with the majority and despite her post getting tons of thumbs up she also got it with both barrels from some of our well versed readers.

Robyn referred to Nightmare on Elm Street 2 Freddys Revenge as one of the worst horror sequels of all time stating ;

A Nightmare on Elm Street is one of my favourite horror movies, and part 2 failed to deliver. While the scene with Freddy driving a bus is comical, the overall film isn’t great. Freddy seems rather corny in this sequel compared to how scary he was in the original, and let’s face it, Freddy’s a scary guy so if he doesn’t come off that way there’s a problem.

Some of the other sequels weren’t good either, but with this one being bad, it didn’t set the standard very high for the films that followed.

With that she sparked a debate ( which is the whole point of this site ) which was for the most part a calm and intelligent discussion. One of those who joined the discussion was Mark. Mark Patton who played Jesse in Nightmare on Elm Street has posted a series of fascinating comments about Nightmare on Elm Street 2 in direct response to Robyn’s post.

Mark Patton’s comments on our Facebook Page I felt warranted a new article on the topic discussing the debate of Nightmare on Elm Street 2 and whether it is a good, or a bad movie and more significantly what it contributed to the horror genre and New Line Cinema.

Mark Patton says that fans love Nightmare on Elm Street 2.

I would like to thank all the people who said nice things about NOES2…dissing my film is so 1985…People around the World tell me how much they love the film..and NOES2 has some of the most iconic NOES moments of all time..You Are All My Children Now!

Based off the many comments on our site saying they love the film that is a safe bet. I am not sure anyone here needed reminding that Nightmare on Elm Street 2 is admired by many.

Mark Patton says out of all the films it has the best…….

Score, Scariest Freddy, Best Freddy make Up..cutting edge effects, very good acting from everyone in the cast..and a theme that has kept the film current and a great conversation piece for 30 years now..

Mark also feels that Jack Sholder the director of Nighmare on Elm Street 2 deserves more credit;

there were no rules at that point [ when Nightmare on Elm Street was released ] the fact that Wes decided to pretend that NOES2 was never made (which I find rather sad as he passed on doing a sequel and only when it became clear that NOES would become a multi million dollar enterprise did he step back in..I think ignoring this was completely disrespectful to Jack Sholder and the entire production team..but in show business everyone has their own agenda)

Further to Mark Patton’s point the original Nightmare on Elm Street which Wes Craven directed  made $25million and change and Nightmare on Elm Street 2 made $29million.

I have no idea why Wes Craven passed on the Nightmare on Elm Street sequel and later came back to the franchise  but Jack Shoder did prove that fans could not wait to get more.  Fun fact the 2010  Nightmare on Elm Street remake made 63million and I believe the majority of horror fans will agree that movie was an abomination. [ Box office Source, Not Adjusted for Inflation ]

Nightmare on Elm Street 2 received glowing reviews;

I always like to remind people that NOES2 received mostly excellent reviews..see The New York Times and made a boat load of money, had it failed their would be no 3, 4 etc.

More interestingly according to Mark without Nightmare on Elm Street there would be no New Line Cinema and no Lord of the Rings;

..[ their would be ] NO New Line Cinema..the money generated from these films helped create Lord of the Rings..everything is connected…So I think people should be happy that NOES2 did so well. I always feel that people, no disrepect here, who make the worst of list have no idea how hard it is to make a film and that it is though quote unquote mistakes that Artist grow.

I think that Mark Patton makes some good points on people who make Best and Worst of lists. There is nothing worse than when somebody does a Worst Horror Sequels list and all they focus on is how much the actor sucks as a person or how they hate the director. Robyn did not do that. Robyn shared her honest and polite thoughts on the film.

She thinks it sucks and that doesnt take anything away from the fact the filmmakers tried hard to deliver a good film and in many ways did so pleasing a ton of fans. Robyn was just not one of them.

What do you think of Nightmare on Elm Street 2? Good or bad? I have no opinion on the film since its been so long since I have seen it but when I asked Jason McDonald one of my co-writers to give me his 2 sentence outlook on the film he mirrored some of Marks comments;

It’s the black sheep in the Nightmare on Elm Street family. When it came out it was too strange and weird to accept, but with time it’ll be remembered with greater fondness.

Mary who is an on and off contributor on the site writes;

…it was completely different from the rest of the series because it brought Freddy more into the real world instead of the dream world by possessing Jesse. not sure if that was a good thing or not. it was notable that the writer introduced quite a bit of sexual inuendo also which is more obvious in hind sight. But my favourite part is school bus scene. It is a work of art.

What did you think of Nightmare on Elm Street 2 ? I think that Nightmare on Elm Street 2 is like Halloween 3 it appeals to unapologetic fans of the horror genre who love when franchises are not afraid to take risks and innovate.

Not liking Nightmare on Elm Street 2 is not wrong although LIKING the 2010 remake absolutely is wrong ( ok I am kidding on that last bit )

Hit the comments below and share your thoughts on the film and its contribution to the genre. Thanks to Mark Patton for taking the time to leave some awesome commentary on Robyn’s list.

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      1. Steven_Landon February 2, 2014 at 6:02 pm

        Great read! I’m actually not a huge fan of the 2nd film! It has it’s moments for sure! Not a terrible film by any means! I enjoy watching all of them! They’re classic! Super cheesy at times! But I would have no problems seeing this film reimagined! Count me in!

      2. Jenn February 2, 2014 at 6:12 pm

        I don’t think Freddie lost his scary so much as NOES2 set up Freddie as our anti-hero in the series. I mean, seriously. Other than a character here and there that we want to succeed against him, for the most part, it’s Freddie we’re cheering for and NOES2 sets that up beautifully.

      3. Tiago February 2, 2014 at 6:39 pm

        That movie sucks. It is a new thing to say it does not. Most classic horror fans agree, that movie sucks.

        • Aunt Mimi February 2, 2014 at 7:55 pm

          Most classic horror fans *I*’ve spoken to like it. Don’t speak for all of us, thank you.

        • Tiago February 2, 2014 at 7:58 pm

          Mimi, it is not me saying. If you watch the blu ray extras on the box set, you will see that it is a fan hated movie. It is a fact.

        • Deadpoolio February 3, 2014 at 2:48 am

          Again the point being NO it’s not a fact, you do NOT speak for everyone nor does an opinion coming from a special feature on the blu ray speak for all fans. It was pretty well reviewed when it came out and It’s a FACT that it did make more money than the first film…It’s always amazing when people try to speak for “the majority” when it’s not even a real majority

        • Tiago February 3, 2014 at 3:27 am

          I dont speak for everyone, but in this case i am speaking for.the majority, YES. Read the article man, it is very clear. It did make more money than the first, but that does not mean people liked it. It means freddy was hypped by then, also horror was. If you did watch the extras you would see people that made the movie trying to explain why it is so hated. You can like it in a tron 2 way, but that movie can not be taken seriously by any real fan of the series. That movie suckiness is so self evident i am not going to respond any further here.

      4. Maria Haynes February 2, 2014 at 6:53 pm

        I can sum that up in one sentence…WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!

      5. Amber Clouse February 2, 2014 at 6:54 pm

        Not my favorite

      6. David Gardner February 2, 2014 at 6:55 pm

        worst one

        • Deadpoolio February 3, 2014 at 2:50 am

          To YOU…….I can’t stand 3, 4, 5 or 6 but I don’t go around trying to convince everyone that it’s an absolute fact when it is in fact my own opinion that Freddy became a joke in 3-6

      7. Bones Tilley February 2, 2014 at 6:57 pm

        all thev elm street films are great wont say a bad thing about any of them

      8. Dave Felter February 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm

        Awesome.

      9. Roman Chimienti February 2, 2014 at 7:04 pm

        best Freddy scenes of the entire series! Possession is a totally plausible theme for an elm street sequel.who cares about the “rules” they broke! It’s a horror film- not a game show.

      10. John Tatarelli Jr. February 2, 2014 at 7:06 pm

        Nightmare 2 was good, they were just trying to follow up the first one best they could. It’s a cool movie, part 3 was just so damn cool that it makes 2 look bad. Also I think most people just think it’s cool to crap on Nightmare 2, Friday the 13th 5 or Jason Goes to Hell, Return of the Jedi……people think it’s hip to hate on stuff. Now people love Halloween 3, people follow trends instead of forming there own opinion.

      11. Vince Rodriguez February 2, 2014 at 7:07 pm

        Ive always thought it was a fun flick

      12. Vince Rodriguez February 2, 2014 at 7:07 pm

        Couldn’t be any worse than new Nightmare.

      13. frank February 2, 2014 at 7:16 pm

        so does Mark Patton troll around the net looking for bad comments on a 30 year old movie. simmer down dude. you were in a movie one time, we get it

        • Aunt Mimi February 2, 2014 at 7:53 pm

          A LOT of actors/actresses/musicians/writers roam the net, looking for/at/stuff because you know, they’re people too….

        • markpattonpv February 3, 2014 at 8:25 pm

          Frank, I am very active on the internet because I speak on behalf of NOES2, The Trevor Project and many other industries connected to the fame brought to me by NOES2 and other films I did in the 80s. Trolling, not so sure as people send this stuff to me constantly. As Aunt Mimi says I am a person too. I interact with the fans to make them happy and as far as NOES2..I am sort of like Heather is about 1 and 3..I try to keep it real, NOES is still a multi million dollar business and I am a part of that ( I reap the rewards, money, fame, travel) so I do the work. I am sorry that it offends you that I can enough to be concerned or comment on a film that stars me. I did not even think about NOES for 25 years until Never Sleep Again sought me out..Most of what is said on that Documentry was filmed before they found me. If you pay attention you will see the tone changed once I enter the conversation. They brought David BACK to reshoot so he could correct the lies he had told for 25 years. So..there you have it. This is my business, so I comment on it.

        • Idle Primate February 4, 2014 at 2:19 am

          it does seem a little sad and creepily defensive. reminiscent of the guy who constantly relives his glory days as a highschool athlete except worse, since he’s arguing with strangers.

          i think the film has its merits, but it never really came together for me. it certainly has some good moments

      14. Alicia Darby February 2, 2014 at 7:18 pm

        I enjoyed it. I love all the elm streets as long as Robert Englund is in them

      15. Paul A. Carter February 2, 2014 at 7:19 pm

        It’s bad but still not as bad as 5 or 6. Not sure why they chose to have all the gay undertones either which seemed v out of place. Freddy looks good and possibly the best he’s ever looked but that doesn’t save the film.

      16. Christopher Horton February 2, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        I never thought it was terrible. But Dream Warriors is so amazing, that it makes it “look” bad.

      17. D.j. Clement February 2, 2014 at 7:28 pm

        interesting idea, poorly executed….

      18. Roger Durkin February 2, 2014 at 7:32 pm

        Don’t no what writer was thinking of, obviously put his homosexual fantasies to film:)

      19. Jesse Lane Moore February 2, 2014 at 7:37 pm

        Poorly executed? It may have went left field, but Sholder directed the shit out of

      20. Lee Howard February 2, 2014 at 7:42 pm

        I love part 2. Yeah it was different than the other films, but each one really had it’s own look and vibe. And when this came out there was only one movie before it, so I think a lot of the ‘rules’ hadn’t really been set or established, it was such a new franchise. I personally like Freddy to be scary and dark without all the one liners, so for me, part 2 is in my top 3 of all of them.

      21. James L. Greenlee February 2, 2014 at 7:47 pm

        I’m on Mark Patton’s side on this one. The 80s were filled with schlocky horror films, but the ANOS series–though initially with almost a John Waters low-budget feel–were apart and different from Halloween or Friday the 13th. The first film was most notable for the “is it a dream, or is it real?” vibe. The second film managed to recreate the feel of the first, feeling very much as though it was a continuation, in the same universe. Freddy’s attempts to take over Jesse’s body to get into the real world IS a diversion from what he did in other films, but his approach was different in all of them. The way he’d “come back to life” was always different, the way he was “defeated” was always different, and the tactics he took were always different. His attempts in ANOES2 didn’t work, so he tried something else in the sequels. I didn’t have a problem with that.

        I wouldn’t call part 2 the best of the series, but not the worst either (I’d save that for part 6 and the remake). Like Friday the 13th Part 2, it succeeded in turning a stand-alone film into a franchise, AND managed to look and feel like it was a genuine continuation. And I really liked Patton’s performance. I think most of the complaints about his acting, and screaming “like a girl” are thinly-veiled homophobia, personally. But as a gay viewer, a lot of that subtext rang as “text” to me anyway, I suppose.

      22. Craig Chant February 2, 2014 at 7:49 pm

        One of the truly best worst movies, I love laughing at this film so much.

      23. pizzainacup February 2, 2014 at 7:51 pm

        Wow. I never thought that I would read somebody try to make an analogy between A Nightmare On Elm Street 2 and Halloween III when there isn’t one. A better analogy would’ve been to compare ANOE 2 to Superman III. Because the plot for Halloween III takes place in California as opposed to Illinois. Not to mention, it was never intended to be a sequel. In my opinion, this is an example of poor marketing. On the other hand, ANOE 2 takes place in the same house and neighborhood as the original. In retrospect, Superman III and ANOE 2 are alike in that they’re odd, they stick out like a sore thumb when you compare them to the other films in the franchise.

        Well, my feeling is ANOE 2 doesn’t really have a connection to the original. That is, I dislike that the writer uses the obvious plot device of Nancy leaving behind a diary to establish a link to the predecessor. Really? When did Nancy ever write in a diary? How often would a girl leave behind or forget about her precious diary? Rarely, if at all. Nonetheless, the writer tried to continue the storyline to another family. Whereas, the writer(s) of Halloween III begin a new storyline. It’s “new” because there’s no correlation to the franchise.

        I digress. A Nightmare On Elm Street 2 was an unnecessary sequel and the franchise could’ve ended after the third film. No, it isn’t the worst horror sequel but it’s the worst one in the franchise. However, I can see how this can be debatable if you consider the latter sequels, The Dream Child and Freddy’s Dead, and Wes Craven’s New Nightmare.

        In my opinion, ANOE 2 was the last film in the franchise that established a scary tone before Freddy’s presence became less threatening and more comedic. So I can cut it some slack.

        By the way, I dislike the remake of the original.

      24. Mary A Burkett-Halsey February 2, 2014 at 8:19 pm

        Not the best!! A couple good parts at best.

      25. Derrick Kinnison February 2, 2014 at 8:35 pm

        Among NOES, the second is another fav of mine. Freddy is an absolute icon, a best friend to my nightmares since growing up with the NOES series. I wish, no. It would be a dream come true to see Englund to do another instalment!

      26. Cory Dean February 2, 2014 at 8:41 pm

        i thought it was a good one just hated the ending

      27. Sarah Jane Porter February 2, 2014 at 8:49 pm

        Brilliant

      28. Alex Aguilar February 2, 2014 at 8:50 pm

        Nightmare 2 is deepky disturbing in a way the others were not.

      29. Michael N. Mullins February 2, 2014 at 8:52 pm

        Whoever said get over it, its a horror film is well ………… the title of the movie is “a (nightmare) on elm street” main star is a dream stalker. So explain how they thought it would be a good idea for Freddy to show up at the pool party/BBQ. ROBERT ENGLUND IS THE MAN and always will be. For the sake of all that isn’t holy, PLEASE DONT PRODUCE ANOTHER FREDDY WITHOUT Mr.Englund behind the make-up.

      30. Faith Rightout February 2, 2014 at 8:57 pm

        Awesome Pool Party well from what I remember this one reveals a lot about him because the main kid reads some his stuff. I dunno I just remember it being important information wise. Besides would we like the rest if they were all good?

      31. Phil Greco February 2, 2014 at 9:00 pm

        1 and 2 were the creepiest one’s of the series. It got pretty outrageous after 2. I love ‘em all, except 5. 2 grew on me as I got older. It’s a real mind fuck and not even close to part 5 bad.

      32. Bryan Martinez February 2, 2014 at 9:14 pm

        You’ve got the body…I’ve got the brain!

      33. David Andrew Baros-Mendez February 2, 2014 at 9:16 pm

        It was very, very… very homoerotic.

      34. D.D. Wookie February 2, 2014 at 9:26 pm

        Has some monster plot holes, but at least Freddy was still scary and not throwing out dumbass one liners. Dream Warriors was great, but the beginning of the end until the remake a few years back, when he was all out frigging creepy again.

      35. Robert O'Dell February 2, 2014 at 9:37 pm

        I’ve seen worse movies! The Elm St. remake immediately comes to mind.

      36. Chris Rell February 2, 2014 at 10:15 pm

        I just remember the main charecter screamed like a little girl through the whole thing. And the scene with Freddy crashing the party broke all the rules. Dumb movie.

      37. Tristi Ferchalk February 3, 2014 at 2:11 am

        wasn’t that bad

      38. Daniel Ejmali February 3, 2014 at 2:17 am

        It’s actually one of my favorites in the series.

      39. Riley (@RileyAnonymity) February 3, 2014 at 3:33 am

        Mark Patton is absolutely right in that it is the black sheep of the series. I love the entire franchise so I like part 2 a lot because it does have many positive merits. It’s not my favorite but it’s certainly not the worst of the series.

      40. Marigen Beltran February 3, 2014 at 4:01 am

        Silly but the main character’s friends is hot :-)

      41. Richie Roy Jacob Belcher February 3, 2014 at 5:12 am

        Well…I’ll just say it isn’t my favorite film in the series. I can watch it without flinching and I have no sudden urge to pull my eyes out watching it. So with me, its just OK, not awesome like the first or third one.

        • Jennifer Berndt February 3, 2014 at 6:10 am

          If you’re gay, you remember being a teenager, pulled in one direction by orientation and pulled in the opposite direction by fear. Coming to terms with being gay can be terrifying… especially in the 1980′s!! I think this is an excellent film in terms of using internalized homophobia as the driving force behind Freddy’s torment. That said, most people are heterosexual and aren’t going to get that much out of it. Oh, and the bus scene is TERRIFIC.

      42. Jennifer Berndt February 3, 2014 at 6:04 am

        As a gay, I appreciated the internalized homophobia being used as that kid’s nightmare… the writer was obviously gay and understands the torment pre- coming out. I understand why most people don’t connect with it.

      43. stuarthazleton February 3, 2014 at 8:25 am

        I’m on team Mark for this one. NOES2 is one of the few sequels that is actually SCARY. That is has the gay subtext makes it even better, because the one thing more frightening than being chased by a psycho with a butcher knife was growing up gay in the 80′s, where teachers would turn a blind eye to boys being called fa** and girls being called d*k*. It was a rough time and this movie did a realistic depiction of how frightening being different was during the Reagan years.

      44. Stevie Kincaide February 3, 2014 at 12:07 pm

        let’s just say I wasn’t in any great hurry to watch it again or even have it as a keeper on vhs or even dvd

      45. Dan Holmes February 3, 2014 at 1:19 pm

        I did not think that Elm Street 2 was a bad movie. It was very scary and I think the reason that this movie worked, was because when it first came out, you did not have all of those rules, that later came into the franchise. How could you not like Mark Patton, Kim Meyers, and the rest of the cast. I think that Elm Street 2 work very well as a movie on its own.

      46. Brian Ervin February 3, 2014 at 4:46 pm

        I don’t think nightmare on elm street 2 was the greatest but I believe it worked. I believe the whole franchise dealt with everyone from all perspective nightmares as well as there own internal battles.

      47. James Dowd Jr. February 3, 2014 at 4:52 pm

        No… it was good and creepy. Thats what you want from a horror movie. I wish they could come up with more creepy shit now a days

      48. Tyler Johnson February 3, 2014 at 5:36 pm

        While it’s hard to fit in with the story, it was still a decent film, though it was no master piece. Why does Freddy want to leave the dream world, where he is immortal? Never explained. When did Nancy write a diary? Never. All this nonsense, but at least it was still decent. The scenes with Robert Englund are golden and well done.

      49. cb February 7, 2014 at 5:25 pm

        Part 2 is better than parts 4, 5, and 6. So yes, it’s a good sequel despite being a little different from the rest of the series.

      50. Jimmy February 9, 2014 at 4:37 pm

        2, 3, 4, 5 are complete garbage but I like Wes Craven’s New Nightmare. The remake is the worst of the lot though.

      51. L. A. Howard February 9, 2014 at 6:36 pm

        I take Cracked.com’s stance, in that there was a LOT of unintentional (?) homoeroticism in that movie. And it’s AWESOME! :D It’s by far not going to make my person top five worst ( thanks to Netflix’s stance on showing every single film student’s final project ever, there is a LOT of bad crap out there), but it was *definitely* one of the cheesiest.

      52. L. A. Howard February 9, 2014 at 6:37 pm

        *personal

      53. Stephanie Giardina March 4, 2014 at 12:21 pm

        ANOES is without a doubt my favorite horror series. Due to that fact, I enjoyed the first sequel. I don’t think the acting, nor the directing exactly qualify as awful. Although, definitely not my top choice among the franchise.
        Personally, my love for Freddy stems from the comedic characteristics of his personality, and you really see that start to shine through in ANOES2.
        Also, in the end of the first Nightmare, Nancy brings Freddy into reality, so the concept that the script to the table in the sequel does make sense and was not by any means ridiculous. But I feel like the idea of a slasher that kills you when your in you’re most vulnerable state; asleep & dreaming, is what makes Freddy & the ANOES series so interesting. Without the dream factor Freddy is no more intriguing than any other killer. Michael Myers uses a butcher knife, Jason Vorhees uses a machete, Freddy uses dreams. It’s what sets him aside from any other slasher, what makes him different. Dreams are his legacy & I think that’s what makes fans find ANOES2 an inferior film compared to the rest.
        In Mark’s defense, just like any fan is entitled to their opinion, so is he. Lets’s be real here, if you were apart of ANY movie in the Nightmare franchise, whether it’s considered the “worst” or the “best”, you’d be proud too.

      54. Alxrivers June 4, 2014 at 4:00 am

        I must admit i didnt like this movie the first time i saw it. I just finished watching it again on netflix and now that i think of it, it is not that bad. It does have an excellent score and some iconic scenes like the ones on the bus and the freddy transformation. Definately better than alot of modern made movies!