William Wisher’s Terminator 5 and 6 Movie Plot

Herner Klenthur

I can’t be the only one who is excited for the upcoming Terminator 5 and 6 movies. The franchise has stumbled but I for one am really looking forward to the upcoming 5th film in the franchise. Call me an optimist but every time they announce a new Terminator movie I keep hoping we will see it go back to its bloody and terrifying roots in the original James Cameron film.

This week it became even more clear that Arnold will be in the upcoming Terminator 5 and 6 movies when he revealed in an interview that the script is finally starting to come together.

Arnold told Yahoo News that after a year and a half of writing the Terminator 5 movie was going firmly in the wrong direction and is is finally according to him back on track. How big of a role Arnold will have in Terminator 5 is unknown but I for one hope that it is  a minor one. Although he is the heart of the original franchise if we are going to get back on course he needs to take a step back in Terminator 5. His involvement is really not surprising since no filmmaker wants to do a Terminator movie without the original big mean killing machine.

William Wisher who helped write the original Terminator movie with James Cameron and also co-wrote Terminator 2 was one of the people who was very interested in working on Terminator 5. He actually wrote up a 24 page script treatment according to Deadline which accommodated the storyline of Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines and Terminator Salvation.

William Wisher walked away from Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation out of respect for James Cameron but if he was given a chance to contribute to Terminator 5 and 6 he would have taken it back to its time travel roots, introducing new Skynet Terminators and bringing back Linda Hamilton, John Conner and Kyle Reese.

More importantly he would base Terminator 5 and 6  in the midst of the war which is what I have been calling for since Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines. Terminator Salvation sort of did this but I want to see the story start from where John Conner enters the bunker after Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines and show mankind under the steel boots of the machines as they clamber to unite and survive.

Wisher’s take on Terminator 5 not only had Linda Hamilton returning but it also had a role for  Arnold Schwarzenegger that Deadline calls as shocking as Arnold’s twist from villain in Terminator 1 to hero in Terminator 2. This part has peaked my interest and has me wondering what on earth could this twist have been.

As far as the potential new Terminators in Terminator 5 go two notable ones included Night Crawlers which are 4 1/2 foot tall border guards that spring up out of the ground like anti personnel mines and fire 10mm rounds from their hands. The second set of new Terminators that appeared in Wisher’s script were shape-shifting cyborgs similar to the T-1000 poly alloy liquid metal terminator only now they can morph together forming much larger single terminators.

Whether William Wisher will have any involvement in Terminator 5 is pretty dubious since we know that Shutter Island writer Laeta Kalogridis is going to write it but that doesn’t mean they can not use some of his potential ideas.

Where would you like to see Terminator 5 go? What do you think Arnolds role should be?

Related Reading: 9 Ways to Make Terminator 5 Succeed



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      1. Jan Kjellin January 27, 2013 at 2:53 pm

        My guess – as it’s supposed to be ‘shocking’ as well as fit with the fact that Terminators don’t age – is that Arnold is human this time, most likely playing the part of the “human original” that the Terminator robot is based on.

        • Emancipator January 27, 2013 at 4:23 pm

          I was thinking the same Jan. Would be a cool idea to hear the back story on the human character.

        • Jan Kjellin January 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm

          Thanks! :)

        • William Deadfly January 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm

          Maybe there could be a flasback, of this character like they did with Kyle Reese during the first film, as he talks about his past with Kyle’s father, but never let this character be personally put in Kyle’s presence, because that would be bad for continuity, as it was stated by Kyle in the first film that he couldn’t identify who the T-800 was til it tried to make a shot at Sarah Conner. Kyle must never see this character. Instead, let him meet Kyle’s father while the father is out scavenging the ruins of LA for supplies, and maybe this guy becomes responsible for Kyle’s father’s death somehow.

        • William Deadfly January 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm

          During this film, let us continue to hear the broadcasts of John Conner like he did during Salvation, only, of course, they would be earlier broadcasts concerning the earlier models of terminators, concerning how to destroy them, as well as his motivational moral lifting speeches.

        • William Deadfly January 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm

          As far as an idea for next/ 6th final film. Let it take place chronologically after Salvation, starting with the fact that John, his wife Kate, their new child, and the rest of the resistance staff have been in a state of constant relocation. In light of the fact that during the Salvation film, Skynet was finally able to acquire, and record a visual ID of both John, and Kyle, and that information has made it somehow easier to locate them in their headquarters. There are a few close call attempts on John, and Kyle’s lives. The most recent was on Kate and their child. This forces John, Kyle, and the rest of his lieutenants to carry out a mission that involves John, and Kyle attempting to erase their identities from Sky-net’s system. They end up successful at two things. Carrying out the mission successfully, and getting themselves caught immediately afterwards. They are placed into the internment camps that Kyle mentioned to Sarah Conner about during the first film. John, Kyle, and the rest of his lieutenants agree to hide their identifications from the other prisoners right before their arrival at the camp. They get bar-codes branded into their arms. They helplessly watch their comrades get exterminated. John’s staff starts to lose faith in John, as well as their moral. John’s new mission is to finally step up and re-assert himself to the prophecy as it was told by the Kyle Reese in the first film. Meanwhile Kate is organizing a rescue mission to get them out but the rescue party doesn’t arrive til the exact moment John and the rest are smashing the T-600, and 800’s, and flooding the gates. This would finally take the franchise into a full circle of completion.

      2. Rick Garcia January 27, 2013 at 3:10 pm

        GET DOWN!!

      3. William Deadfly January 27, 2013 at 3:47 pm

        Maybe Arnold’s role shouldn’t be so major, but rather more of a cameo type role, and he shouldn’t be a terminator, but rather a survivor who worked in the military, and is in fact the very person from the skynet files who the Arnold Terminator’s appearances were modeled after. This in fact would help explain the aging appearance of those terminators. The fact that he didn’t just merely have only one picture on file that they used to produce their appearances, but rather several from different phases (age levels) of his life for military and or company ID pass purposes. Maybe his character can be more of a shell shocked traumatized selfish self preservationist type of survivor. This film can feature T-200 – T-500 out on the field as well as many earlier models of HK’s as well. This film wouldn’t be as much about John Conner as it would be about Kyle Reese as a kid surviving with his father predating his role he played in Salvation. And this film should be more of a suspense/ horror rated R. Have this film play more of the same type of role that the Empire Strikes Back played in the Star Wars franchise. Keep this film dark and unhappy.

        • Emancipator January 27, 2013 at 4:23 pm

          great comment. Cool ideas!

        • William Deadfly January 27, 2013 at 4:36 pm

          Thank you. Honestly, I think that there is a potential for far better ideas as well out there, but Hollywood is killing itself by closing it’s doors to newer and upcoming GREAT artists. They stick with their comfort zone, and concentrate way too much on capitalizing on remakes rather than new refreshing concepts created by people who think outside of the box. “ART”

        • Emancipator January 27, 2013 at 5:07 pm

          If you have not read my this article do so. If only to checkout the short film in it that will blow your mind! Speaking of new ideas :) http://www.horror-movies.ca/terminator-5-movie-ideas/

        • Henry April 14, 2013 at 8:00 am

          My version of the terminator 5 storyline:
          We begin the movie in a futuristic lab where we see an elder Robert Patrick (scientist) rewiring, reprogramming on T1s T800 model and about to send it back to 1984 with the mission to kill Sarah Connor. We also get a glimpse of a T1000 model in his lab still being worked on in the background. The future John Connor hears word about this mission to kill his mum and directs his top soldier Reese to counter this attack which we see what happens in T1. After sending reese back John immediately realises that both reese and Sarah still do not exist in his current future time meaning they still died along the way. John then requests from his top scientist, elderly arnold S, to send back an advanced T800 model back to 1984 to assist reese in killing T1s T800. Immediately after sending this model back in time, both Sarah and reese appear in their current state in the future.
          From this point on I guess we can continue the storyline where T4 left off.

      4. Lee Vervoort January 27, 2013 at 4:55 pm

        bring it on

      5. Shawn Avalos January 27, 2013 at 8:57 pm

        Do like Salavation? Where the T-800 was finally revealed at the end.

      6. William Deadfly January 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm

        Where are the rest of my replies? I made no insults in any of them.

        • William Deadfly January 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm

          With the exception of Hollywood in general.

        • Herner Klenthur January 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm

          William this weekend we did a TON of updates and may have ‘lost’ a few comments in the process. Sorry bud.

      7. shane January 28, 2013 at 6:18 pm

        i would like to see t-1000 back and linda hamilton

      8. Maxman January 29, 2013 at 8:40 pm

        I will be so happy to see new terminator project building a bisley mutating machine from animals or human evoulution.

      9. matrix January 29, 2013 at 9:19 pm

        Mmmh.. I sure love to see humans having their machines as well! being resistant or superhuman for a soldier on the battle feild and controlling heavy mech gear’s like secondary armor to fight down skynet.

        ahhhh. sure love to see horror, more blood. well this will likelly to be more on the hybrid side new project analisis bisley rage grim animal interfairance after skynet station were destroy by the resistance.

        yesss. and the secret place skynet set grounds on ahhh. a reality aspects, human earth sending curiosity on mars didin’t think i would say that. mars is skynet world. hahhahahaha

        Anyway guys i like your feed backs on this tophic?
        did i left out a part?

      10. William Deadfly February 3, 2013 at 3:48 am

        Well that sucks, it was a pretty long entry concerning ideas for both 5 and 6. Oh well, I guess these things happen :/

      11. jadon February 3, 2013 at 10:36 am

        they better brng back Christian Bale!!!

      12. Baz February 3, 2013 at 11:50 pm

        First off, release a viral video to promote the discounting of T2, T3 and T4 because all of them are wrong and naff sequels. Then set about introducing/producing the sequel that should have followed T1 which focuses solely on the implementation/rise of the Skynet artificial intelligence system.

      13. Baz February 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm

        Additionally (and i wasn’t aware of this from my last post), find out who the originator of The Terminator and Matrix concepts really is and with The Terminator in particular, why all the subsequent sequels turned to dust….

      14. John Craig February 6, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        I have a couple of books that are published and sell worldwide. My personal opinion is The Terminator was amazing, original, great storyline etc. I find Terminator 2: Judgement Day is basically a remake of the original Terminator (with the exception of John Connor being hunted down) and Arnold is the good guy this time. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines had good potential, it was in-line with where the series should have been, the concept was great but failed to deliver primarily because you expect more than 10 minutes of seeing the ‘Rise of the Machines’. Terminator Salvation: The end begins now, was amazing! It is very much in-line with The Terminator, and we see and hear everything Kyle Reese warned Sarah Connor about, and everything Sarah prepared John for. While John’s character is weak, it is counter- balanced by Marcus and Kyle’s growing connection throughout the film.

        What direction should Terminator 5 take? And where should Arnold fit in? I think it would be interesting if a concept about the time machines being developed, John and the Resistence acquire this information, and set out to destroy them before they are created, and are unsuccessful as a Machine is sent back in the past to kill his mother. Arnold, (once a founding military operative of Cyberdine before Skynet aquisitions, is responsible for the designs of each military machine up to T-1000 ) now a Resistence fighter learns of John and tries to befriend him, as he knows the technical layout of the machines. John naturally aloof to trusting Arnold overcomes his animousity when Arnold helps save his life and captures one of the Machines and helps show him how to reprogram the chip. After testing the machine, despite many initial glitches, they send the Machine back in time to save John in 91. This is a template for where I would like to see Terminator 5 go, and a role Arnold should have (way to old to be a machine), am I even close to what T5 will be like I’d doubt it, I just don’t want to leave the theatre crying about my waste of money is all (by the way despite my take on the 4 movies I love all of them, and am a huge advent fan of the movie series)!

      15. Bojan February 15, 2013 at 5:19 am

        You can not put the first three movies in the same frame with salvation. Salvation was a big failure. The whole idea of making Terminator 4 then was to bring Schwarzenegger back, in a perfect way. So, T5 should be situated in time when America was developing fast, the 80’s and ninetees. And of course in the original terminator developing time. There are so many untold stories which happened or will exist then. It should be very intelligent scenario, focused on the never-ending story of inventions. Artificial intelligence should be promoted on even bigger way. And it should contain very simple models, the first T800(Arnold0 and also very developed ones. That magical evolution of the machines, which was perfectly shown in the first movie Terminator, now should be the leading force. Rising through artificial intelligence.
        For me, T2 was presenting the brilliant difference between two great opposed things. This was shown in many ways. One of the most interesting for me was the use of the vehicles by the technology superior and yet even most close to humans terminators. The “simple” engines which are moving the life forward in present time, versus superior and new energy in intelligent materials. The distinction should be shown. So, presenting stupid war scenes which even not correlate to the real idea, SHOULD NOT be considered at all. There should be violence, OF COURSE, but presented on intelligent way. The way it evolute artificially developing its own mind, which touches the core of one main idea.
        So the saga should be shown also. This would be greatly achieved with the distinction between the new-superior and old-developing. For example some cool vehicles such as Harley Davidson and Indian motorcycles and commonly used expensive and not expensive cars versus the new machines-Terminators. There are many other greater examples corresponding to this.
        The character of terminator as intelligent machine fits best in Arnold Schwarzenegger. So he is the Terminator. this was interesting back in the 90s, even more in 2003 and will always be. Without his role the movie loses. And of course full role, not some cameo or similar. Other capable actors from back then should be back on the big screens TOO.
        Let there be magical story. Something untold and unseen which actually was in T2 movie or in T1 movie or in T3 movie, some detail which we did not gave it big concern back then… Something interesting which connects the real three parts. Something which will be a work of Art!

      16. Ben February 21, 2013 at 2:03 am

        I think the new trilogy should take place in the future after kyle reese already went back in time and fulfilled his mission. That way, the trilogy has a chance to start fresh with John Connor and the resistence battling skynet without any time travel related complications. Because with that chapter closed, the resistence is now free to try to put a stop to skynet’s ability to use time travel without having to worry about Kyle going back to ensure that John Connor is born. Also, I think the heroes of the old trilogy shouldn’t come back (not counting John of course). They died serving their purpose in helping John become the leader of the resistence and to bring them back underminds that in my opinion.

      17. candice February 25, 2013 at 1:14 am

        I honestly don’t care where they go with the franchise, they are at point where they can do whatever they want with it. But they really just need to finish it with 2 or 3 more movies and end it. They could drag the war on forever, but they really shouldn’t. If Arnold comes back, they are gonna have to do some serious CGI, digital, computer, whatever it is to make him fit (like what they did with salvation). He barely passed in 2003 as a believable terminator. He is just too old now. Linda Hamilton prob wont come back. Honestly, I would rather have edward furlong than christian bale as John. With Bale, it was like batman in the terminator, not a good fit. I am looking forward to this movie, and if it has taken this long to create a script, then I think its a good sign.

      18. Shane February 28, 2013 at 4:37 am

        Well I think they should scrap terminator 3 and 4 and get back to the story line from 1and 2. The new movie should be a prequel, starting in the future with John Connor finding Kyle Reese in the rubble with humankind on the brink of extinction. John develops Kyle and together they defeat skynet. This movie ends with skynet sending the the original T-100 and T-1000 back in time. Schwarzenegger is in it and for the sequel to the prequel something like “back to the future 2” where something else is sent back in time during the storylines of 1 and 2 that we did not even know about. The end.

      19. T2boy1003 March 2, 2013 at 9:58 pm

        My idea for the fifth Terminator is that the year is actually 2029, the year that the whole series led up to. John Connor is leading what’s left of the human resistance, and the war has turned into a holocaust. Skynet has just created a new type of Terminator, the T-2000 (or whatever name you want it to be), which is the strongest cyborg ever created. John Connor decides to reprogram a T-800 and then they lead the resistance into attack on Skynet’s real system core, which is a massive robot made of liquid metal, the T-1000000 (shown in T2 3D). The story will feature Connor, Kyle Reese, the Terminator and some new characters destroying Skynet once and for all. The story ends when John Connor makes the decision not to send Kyle Reese back in time to conceive John in the first place, thus completely breaking the whole time travel cycle and going back to the “there is no fate but what we make” theory. This plot will bring back Arnold, introduce at least 2 or 3 new Terminator robots/cyborgs, will reveal Skynet’s system core, and give the entire series a good final ending. It should focus on the paradox of John not ever being conceived, and whether or not it would affect his life. It would be kind of a mash-up of all four previous Terminator films, and would wrap up the series firmly and ensure no further films would be made.

      20. Al S. April 1, 2013 at 12:15 am

        Terminator Salvation closed with a clear set up bringing you to the link that starts the story in Terminator 1. Kyle Reese is introduced and can be sent back in time.Even John Conner picks up the scar seen in T-2. Lets get it done!

        • Herner Klenthur April 1, 2013 at 12:21 am

          Solid logic! I for one could go for more terminator but I can do without Christian Bale. Great actor but wrong buy to play Conner

        • donald May 28, 2013 at 3:36 pm

          Keep christion bale and the young guy who play as kyle reese in t-salvations….you can bring back the other kyle reese and linda H from part one as well! continue where salvation left off!!! With connor and his squad relocating while skynet build a massive army of t800’s along with other cyborgs!! Start the battles of man vs machine war with the future setting for christ sake and stop avoiding the armaggedon like war!! I’ll say it again, start the man vs machine war with the dem future atmosphere and it should be like a armageddon type battle! Allow conner and reese to have their sentimental scenes of explaining the whole time travel thing as conner prep reese for time travel!!! And when they do enter sky to send kyle off we at least know that a 1 enemy cycborg t800 w flesh gets through. As well as one t1000 and a female t1000 along with 2 t800 terminations to protect conner…… but put a good spin on it all just to keep us interested while rapping this thing up <<in robert deniro voice:) why cant the geniuses in hollywood get the scripts of creating two more successful terminator movies threw their greesy heads! @its_the_donald

      21. lucastovonne May 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

        I want the Terminater to fight bad machines and liquid Cybords and Terminator machines. Also I want Terminator action figure toys .

      22. mythultu June 13, 2013 at 1:26 am

        Would LOVE to see Summer Glau continue the role she created in Sarah Connor Chronicles. She was REALLY good in that.

      23. KERISH December 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm

        Blondie T-800.

      24. Bojan January 29, 2014 at 3:11 am

        The new scenario should not forget one great idea from Terminator: THE COMPUTER GAME. Developing its own intelligence in the future in a superior way mysterious to human race before, this super-computer has sensed playing a simple game known to humans way before-the game of winning. Learning from the human nature, it saw the destructive but powerful evil and the leading humanity. So it decided to put them on challenge with two different creations, fully developed in their own way and thrown into time. And the saga begins, superior vs. developed, new vs. old, strong vs. weak. Whilst the superior is led by the main idea-termination, one other force open another way. In this process by giving a second chance to the weak and defeated artificial creations, it developed its good part. T800 shows this in the movie Terminator 2. So artificial intelligence gets its normal way to be developed and not to remain on war. The distinction rises even more with this. Humans decide to work together with these machines to defeat the evil.

      25. Bojan March 4, 2014 at 2:20 pm

        main ideas:

        1. Battle between good and evil, developing with artificial intelligence.

        2. “…. Because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too. ” – by Linda Hamilton starring as Sarah Connor, this sentence explains the idea;

        3. LOTS OF ACTION, not a low budget movie but A CLASSIC HIGHLY SPENT MONEY FOR ACTION MOVIE AS IN THE 90s! ;). We deserve to see something BIG.

      26. Bojan March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm

        We just loved the action in T2 and T3. It should not be forgotten that the sounds and effects were pionerly presented in Terminator2 and Terminator 3. That was just perfect. After, many other movies used these same techniques and effects, but almost no one discussed this. For example the movie Transformers uses similar sounds so when I was watching it for the first time it reminded me of the effects firstly shown in T3 and honestly it did not make me even nearly excited as Terminator movies. These effects were also one great thing that made Terminator movie a masterpiece. New movie should definitely have even more new effects, to show the world its hardly developed presentation. Visual effects were also great.
        James Cameroon must be contacted and asked about different possibilities of special affects for the new movie!